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#27951: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:22:25 PM

An impossibly strong soul brought on by circumstances that have nothing to do with being human.

He's not an example of humanity's potential because humanity does not have the potential to become Uub. Humanity could never be Uub, because the way to be Uub is to be born with Majin Buu's soul in your body after having the powers that be grant a special request for the eldritch horror's power to be left fully intact within you.

It's not like becoming a Super Saiyan or getting an Android upgrade or performing Namekian Fusion; his species is completely superfluous. Uub is powerful because he's Buu and only because he's Buu. He's an example of Buu's potential within a human shell.

edited 11th Nov '15 3:23:44 PM by TobiasDrake

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#27952: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:24:36 PM

You don't know that Humans could never be that strong. Yeah, Uub's Power Level comes from his soul but nothing else about him does.

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#27953: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:25:59 PM

No, I don't know that there doesn't exist a means by which humans could achieve such a level of power, but I do know that Uub did not use any means that could ever be reproduced.

Other Saiyans than Goku can become a Super Saiyan. Other Namekians than Piccolo can perform Namekian Fusion. Other humans than Krillin can have their potential unlocked by a master such as Guru or the Elder Kai. But nobody can ever retrace the steps that made Uub powerful, because the steps that made Uub powerful are simply being Buu.

He's not really human; he's Majin Buu in a human body.

edited 11th Nov '15 3:31:46 PM by TobiasDrake

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#27954: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:31:22 PM

Having Buu's soul. His skin is not pink and jelloey, he can't regenerate, and he doesn't have magic. Uub's soul is the same soul Buu had but nothing else is shared. For all we know, Pan has Bardock's soul but that has no bearing on her power. Just because you were strong in a past life doesn't mean you'll be strong in this one and the only reason Uub is exempt from that rule is because Goku asked for it. The only thing special or unique about Uub is that his soul is strong.

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#27955: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:32:45 PM

Buu's power is shared, and that's what matters here. He retained Majin Buu's power because Goku requested that Buu reincarnate with all of his power intact. That special exemption is exactly why Uub is a poor representative of humanity's potential: because his strength did not come from humanity's potential, and has nothing to do with humanity's potential at all.

Basically, what I'm getting at is that it would be nice for humans to be represented by a character who is naturally human and represents what humans are capable of, rather than an Eldritch Horror who underwent an in-universe Race Lift.

edited 11th Nov '15 3:33:31 PM by TobiasDrake

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#27956: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:35:33 PM

HE'S NOT BUU. He's a Human that just happens to have Buu's soul that only happens to have his strength because Goku asked for it. Uub has nothing to do with Buu aside from his soul and there's no reason to think otherwise. He's his own person, with his own likes, dislikes, strengths, and weaknesses.

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#27957: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:36:28 PM

If Uub was a regular human he would have nothing. It is only because of having Buu's soul that he is so impossibly powerful.

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#27958: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:38:38 PM

Uub is a normal Human, aside from his strength.

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#27959: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:39:44 PM

It's just fun seeing people argue over these kind of things. And by that I mean it's annoying. Very annoying.

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#27960: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:40:22 PM

[up][up]Except not at all. Because he is literally a reincarnated God-killing Abomination.

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#27961: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:46:19 PM

I'd personally be disappointed if Goten and Trunks ended up being how they were in GT, because they'd be yet more characters we got to see grow up and learn to fight and all that and then get treated like crap because they decided to not be fighters in a show all about fighting.

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#27962: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:47:45 PM

I'm liking this idea of a "Teen Titans" version of Dragon Ball. Uub, Pan, Trunks, Goten, Bra and Marron... with the old cast in the background (maybe Piccolo being a regular mentor).

As for what Marron could do... How about a Powered Armor that can keep up with the main cast? I mean, being 18's daughter should make her more curious about the prospect than anybody else. The suit wouldn't even need to have a big power level, just the series' more unorthodox stuff, like ki absorption.

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#27963: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:48:02 PM

[up][up][up]There's no reason to think Uub has Buu's regeneration, magic or durability. Hell, there's no reason to think that Uub wouldn't still have had Buu's soul (without the power) if Goku hadn't asked for it! The only thing special about Buu's soul is its power and that's only because Goku asked for that exception. Buu's soul is just a normal soul, aside from strength.

edited 11th Nov '15 3:48:39 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#27964: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:49:09 PM

[up][up] We've been over that idea roughly one hundred times in the fanfiction thread thanks to Rob. Who will now kill you for stealing his idea. Who will now kill me for stating what he will do.

edited 11th Nov '15 3:49:16 PM by Zelenal

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#27965: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:49:13 PM

We kind of already talked about how power armor wouldn't work in this show, because it'd most likely be completely outclassed by Krillin, let alone someone useful.

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#27966: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:50:38 PM

If you want to make Bra a fighter, just maker her one. She can be both that and the tech person without Power Armor.

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#27968: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:52:07 PM

[up][up][up][up]Oh. Sorry about that.

[up][up][up]The Androids made by a former Red Ribbon guy, against all odds, were stronger than Freeza. Just let Bulma have a crack at making better tech, and see what happens.

[up][up]Marron, not Bra. Marron is Android 18's daughter, she doesn't have Saiyan genes.

edited 11th Nov '15 3:53:24 PM by JonnasN

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#27969: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:53:54 PM

Well, the suit might be strong, but the person wearing it wouldn't be.

And you need to be powerful enough to keep up with the blurringly fast pace that everyone moves at, which a regular person in power armor wouldn't be able to do.

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#27970: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:55:48 PM

I don't really like most of the Dragonball kids though. Goten and young Trunks just annoy me while I barely even remember Marron exists.

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#27971: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:57:23 PM

......

Powered Armour......

....won't work.

I thought it could work due to the existence of tech that let normal humans surpass Frieza and be as strong as super saiyans, alongside a genius who goes on to invent a time machine, but simply put, it wouldn't work because Toriyama is not interested in making it work. Ki is the only think important. If you don't got enough, you aren't relevant.

I was trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, and you can't do that. It's the same for trying to claim humans are strong. The three strongest humans in the series are Krillin (who had his power artificially unlocked, but not enough to be relevant even if he became stronger than a group of guys who annihilated him earlier), 18 (one of the aforementioned people with that incredible advanced tech) and Uub (who's only as powerful as he is because he's a reincarnation of something that casually murdered gods).

Humans are explicitly said to have been destroyed in .....which ever universe Champa is from, because Toriyama has decided they are not, in any way, shape or form, important. When Goku is gone, earth will die, because no-one else has any hope of defending it (even Gohan, who has been stronger than Goku at many points).

So no. No powered armour.

I still think it could work

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#27972: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:59:13 PM

[up] I don't think Goten does or says enough to merit annoyance. Although young Trunks is annoying.

Also I agree son and others. Uub shouldn't really count as a representative of humanity.

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edited 11th Nov '15 4:00:42 PM by MadSkillz

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#27973: Nov 11th 2015 at 3:59:35 PM

Dragon Ball's after life is based on Mahayana Buddhism, which means reincarnation is normal. Hell is a place where particularly bad souls have their excessive bad kharma burnt off so they don't bring it back with them in the next cycle. It's the basis for Janemba in that one movie.

A human lucking out by getting the power of a previous being who didn't lose their Ki in the reincarnation process is no stranger than some mutant being born with the potential to surpass most gods. In fact, it's less strange in Uub's case because the judge of the dead did it specifically to grant a hero's wish.

So no, Uub isn't what every human can aspire to, but why can't humans have a prodigy every once and while? At least two alien species already got one.

Anyway, I say split the difference. Make Bra a fighter and make Marron the techno wizard. Gohan and Videl can have a son who is an expert biologist and the two of them can create androids.

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#27975: Nov 11th 2015 at 4:05:22 PM

I swear, there was some kind of fanfic somewhere out there that was a reimagined version of GT that I saw in the fanfic recommendations page. I should have checked it out, because I couldn't find it there the next time, and checking the edit history didn't work.

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