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Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#2751: Jun 5th 2013 at 4:03:29 PM

You're right.

Let's just outright kill him off instead!waii

Context: Yamcha.

edited 5th Jun '13 4:03:51 PM by Rynnec

kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
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#2752: Jun 5th 2013 at 5:25:42 PM

I love watching these clips.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2753: Jun 6th 2013 at 12:13:34 AM

I'd keep Goku dead in the Boo arc, and not have him be the hero of that arc.

MsCC93 Since: May, 2012
#2754: Jun 6th 2013 at 5:24:14 AM

[up]No offense, but I kind of disagree. I would have kept Goku alive, so we won't have to hear those "Goku is a bad father" complaints, and I would have made Gohan beat Buu, instead of Goku. I mean I like Goku, but the Buu arc made him look like a jerk =/

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2755: Jun 6th 2013 at 5:29:56 AM

I don't see how leaving him alive would make him look like a better father. He died saving the world, and he stayed dead because Shenron couldn't revive him. And leaving him dead is a good way to actually pass the torch onto a new generation.

I would have also had him not be capable of beating Fat Boo, which I forget to mention before. The retcon of him being strong enough to beat Boo but leaving it to the kids does make him look like a bad father (the only moment that actually does, IMO) so I would have made it so SS3 Goku could stall Boo, but he had no choice but to rely on the boys learning Fusion.

Handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2756: Jun 6th 2013 at 7:44:22 AM

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I agree with that.

But I would add in Gohan being the one to fight Kid Buu(or whichever Buu) and physically toss him into the path of the Spirit Bomb.

Just because I don't want to sacrifice the only time in the series when that damned thing worked.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2758: Jun 6th 2013 at 7:48:44 AM

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Just one time!

Though I admit, it likely won't work. You can't have the attack working and Gohan being the hero he is supposed to be at the same time without some Hoop jumping, but that damned things was supposed to be the ultimate attack, and it never worked even once.

I hate that.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2759: Jun 6th 2013 at 7:52:05 AM

Without the Spirit Bomb, they would have been slaughtered by Vegeta. It did more damage to him than anything else did. It doesn't need to be the final blow - that's enough. So it's blatantly false to say it didn't work. It's like saying a punch doesn't work when it doesn't immediately kill the opposition.

edited 6th Jun '13 7:52:42 AM by Saiga

Handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2760: Jun 6th 2013 at 7:56:30 AM

Eh, I see your point, but I always felt that it was supposed to be a finishing move that put the enemy down once and for all. Yeah, it hurt the hell out of Vegeta, but it took a Monkey flip to put him down once and for all.

And then Freeza only lost his tail from it.

It's like a Kamen Rider not finishing a battle with his strongest attack and having to throw rocks at the bad guy to win.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2761: Jun 6th 2013 at 8:02:07 AM

The only difference is what order things happened in. The Spirit Bomb was still the most damaging and significant part in that fight.

Reeeeally not worth botching the Boo arc just to make it a final hit.

edited 6th Jun '13 8:02:29 AM by Saiga

Handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2762: Jun 6th 2013 at 8:27:31 AM

Yeah. I admit I knew it was a long shot.

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theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#2763: Jun 6th 2013 at 9:01:08 AM

Actually I count the Spirit Bomb on Vegeta a failure mostly because after it hit he still had more than enough energy to kill everyone that was there at the time. Both Gohan and Krillin who had senzu bean before the fight with Gohan who didn't even use an energy attack after that.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2764: Jun 6th 2013 at 4:10:49 PM

[up] No, he didn't. He thought he did, but his blast failed to kill anyone. And then he tried to beat Yajirobe/Gohan to death, and also failed. Well, whether he was seriously trying to kill Yajirobe is debateable, but he still didn't do much. And Yajirobe was the weakest person there.

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#2765: Jun 6th 2013 at 4:24:11 PM

He was about to kill Gohan but Yajirobe interrupted. Then he was about to kill Yajirobe but Gohan looked at the moon and transformed. If that hadn't happened he would have certainly killed them.

handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2766: Jun 6th 2013 at 4:25:54 PM

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As I find it hard to believe that Vegeta would hold back on any one (lets all remember the Punching machine incident), I have to concede that you are correct and he didn't have the strength to kill them...

right away. He was still in better shape(or stronger in the case of Yajirobe) than everyone there, and I can't picture him letting a thing like time stop him.

He would have beat on them for days if that's what it took.

[up]Also, this.

edited 6th Jun '13 4:26:21 PM by handsomerob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2767: Jun 6th 2013 at 4:26:03 PM

He was punching Gohan repeatedly and not doing any damage. He also wasn't doing any damage while punching Yajirobe repeatedly.

[up] He was barely conscious, and passed out after entering his ship (not waking up until months later). He was running on adrenaline only at that point, so the more time he takes the worse it's going to be for him.

edited 6th Jun '13 4:27:47 PM by Saiga

theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#2768: Jun 6th 2013 at 9:23:05 PM

He still had more than enough energy to use a Kienzan after, so it was more of matter of choice of beating them to death with his fist.

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#2769: Jun 6th 2013 at 9:41:20 PM

[up]Oh yeah, I forgot about how he just suddenly learned Krillin's new ultimate technique. [lol]TFS got that moment so well.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2770: Jun 6th 2013 at 9:56:03 PM

Krillin spread it to him through the Spirit Bomb.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2771: Jun 7th 2013 at 12:20:17 AM

[up][up][up]Ki attacks cost jack all energy, so it's not impressive that Vegeta can use one.

theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#2772: Jun 7th 2013 at 12:54:59 AM

The fact remain that the Spirit Bomb brought Vegeta down to Nappa's level. I consider the Spirit Bomb a failure because it didn't change anything that happen. Vegeta never hit the same level as Gohan and Krillin which I would of like if they show even while Vegeta was equal to them he was still winning because he had more experience.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2773: Jun 7th 2013 at 2:04:58 AM

How on Earth was he at Nappa's level? He could barely stand, failed to kill anyone despite trying repeatedly, and passed out not long after.

theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#2774: Jun 7th 2013 at 2:14:49 AM

Because he was still strong enough to take them. He still had to be as strong as Nappa at his weakest.

edited 7th Jun '13 2:15:07 AM by theweirdKiddokun

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2775: Jun 7th 2013 at 4:06:24 AM

No way. Nappa was dominating them the whole time. Vegeta did not have the strength to finish them - nothing he tried worked, and he went into a frickin coma once adrenaline wore off. That is not Nappa level. The only reason he was a threat after the spirit bomb is because the others (sans Yajirobe) couldn't even stand.


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