I don't see how leaving him alive would make him look like a better father. He died saving the world, and he stayed dead because Shenron couldn't revive him. And leaving him dead is a good way to actually pass the torch onto a new generation.
I would have also had him not be capable of beating Fat Boo, which I forget to mention before. The retcon of him being strong enough to beat Boo but leaving it to the kids does make him look like a bad father (the only moment that actually does, IMO) so I would have made it so SS3 Goku could stall Boo, but he had no choice but to rely on the boys learning Fusion.
I agree with that.
But I would add in Gohan being the one to fight Kid Buu(or whichever Buu) and physically toss him into the path of the Spirit Bomb.
Just because I don't want to sacrifice the only time in the series when that damned thing worked.
One Strip! One Strip!
Just one time!
Though I admit, it likely won't work. You can't have the attack working and Gohan being the hero he is supposed to be at the same time without some Hoop jumping, but that damned things was supposed to be the ultimate attack, and it never worked even once.
I hate that.
One Strip! One Strip!Without the Spirit Bomb, they would have been slaughtered by Vegeta. It did more damage to him than anything else did. It doesn't need to be the final blow - that's enough. So it's blatantly false to say it didn't work. It's like saying a punch doesn't work when it doesn't immediately kill the opposition.
edited 6th Jun '13 7:52:42 AM by Saiga
Eh, I see your point, but I always felt that it was supposed to be a finishing move that put the enemy down once and for all. Yeah, it hurt the hell out of Vegeta, but it took a Monkey flip to put him down once and for all.
And then Freeza only lost his tail from it.
It's like a Kamen Rider not finishing a battle with his strongest attack and having to throw rocks at the bad guy to win.
One Strip! One Strip!Actually I count the Spirit Bomb on Vegeta a failure mostly because after it hit he still had more than enough energy to kill everyone that was there at the time. Both Gohan and Krillin who had senzu bean before the fight with Gohan who didn't even use an energy attack after that.
The Reaper Games starts anew.![]()
As I find it hard to believe that Vegeta would hold back on any one (lets all remember the Punching machine incident), I have to concede that you are correct and he didn't have the strength to kill them...
right away. He was still in better shape(or stronger in the case of Yajirobe) than everyone there, and I can't picture him letting a thing like time stop him.
He would have beat on them for days if that's what it took.
Also, this.
edited 6th Jun '13 4:26:21 PM by handsomerob
One Strip! One Strip!He was punching Gohan repeatedly and not doing any damage. He also wasn't doing any damage while punching Yajirobe repeatedly.
He was barely conscious, and passed out after entering his ship (not waking up until months later). He was running on adrenaline only at that point, so the more time he takes the worse it's going to be for him.
edited 6th Jun '13 4:27:47 PM by Saiga
Oh yeah, I forgot about how he just suddenly learned Krillin's new ultimate technique.
TFS got that moment so well.
The fact remain that the Spirit Bomb brought Vegeta down to Nappa's level. I consider the Spirit Bomb a failure because it didn't change anything that happen. Vegeta never hit the same level as Gohan and Krillin which I would of like if they show even while Vegeta was equal to them he was still winning because he had more experience.
The Reaper Games starts anew.No way. Nappa was dominating them the whole time. Vegeta did not have the strength to finish them - nothing he tried worked, and he went into a frickin coma once adrenaline wore off. That is not Nappa level. The only reason he was a threat after the spirit bomb is because the others (sans Yajirobe) couldn't even stand.

You're right.
Let's just outright kill him off instead!
Context: Yamcha.
edited 5th Jun '13 4:03:51 PM by Rynnec