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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#27701: Nov 9th 2015 at 8:36:04 PM

Honestly, while I usually believe that every work of fiction, unless specified otherwise, has a clear, hard, canon to adhere to, the current situation with Dragon Ball Super is starting to make me think that Dragon Ball may be becoming one of those exceptions. I mean, which is the correct canon: Battle of Gods, Resurrection 'F', and this third movie, the Dragon Ball Super manga, or the Dragon Ball Super anime?

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#27702: Nov 9th 2015 at 8:40:34 PM

When it comes down to the major events, I feel like the differences between the movies and Super will be minor. The details will be different, sure, but it hit all of the major points. Beerus is stronger than everyone normally, it was Bulma's birthday, Beerus decided to wreck shit, Goku went Super Saiyan God, they fight, Goku loses. Super's version of Resurrection "F" will likely do the exact same thing.

However, the manga is clearly the non-canon version.

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#27703: Nov 9th 2015 at 8:43:27 PM

But the manga shows (presumably important) events that weren't in the anime!

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#27704: Nov 9th 2015 at 8:44:49 PM

Then you have two options:

The first is to treat it like anime filler: You call it canon so long as it doesn't contradict the movies/Super anime.

The second is to just call it non-canon like most people do anime filler.

Basically, the Super manga is anime filler.

edited 9th Nov '15 8:45:14 PM by Zelenal

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#27705: Nov 9th 2015 at 9:15:04 PM

Canon is important. To me, canon has nothing to do with 'what the artist intended' or 'the reader's interpretation of events'. To me, canon represents the solid, unchanging history of the fictional universe. True history is immortal and unchanging and while non-canon events can be interesting, they aren't part of the official history of the series. Implying that non-canon events which directly contradict canon feels similar, to me, as someone lying about an event in history which is wrong.

edited 9th Nov '15 9:15:51 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#27706: Nov 9th 2015 at 9:23:30 PM

That's neat but I don't see what that has to do with what we were talking about.

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#27707: Nov 9th 2015 at 9:25:56 PM

My point is that I hate when shows don't have a consistent in-universe history and Dragon Ball Super confuses me. Also, I kinda want to have the canon debate because I didn't have an account last time it happened.

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#27708: Nov 9th 2015 at 9:31:03 PM

So you hate basically all manga that's been adapted to anime then? Almost all of them have filler and that's not counting the anime that decide to basically do their own things.

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#27709: Nov 9th 2015 at 9:33:44 PM

Animes have their own canon. Dragon Ball is special in that the anime is bad and I choose to ignore it over the manga.

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#27710: Nov 9th 2015 at 9:39:23 PM

It seems pretty clear to me, though. The original manga is the primary canon and it continues into the Super anime. As far as I know, Akira Toriyama is working on the anime but not the manga and thus the anime takes precedence over the manga. I already explained how it doesn't matter whether you chose the movies or Super for the shared events since the differences between them seem fairly minor.

edited 9th Nov '15 9:39:36 PM by Zelenal

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#27711: Nov 9th 2015 at 9:43:14 PM

~sigh~ Yeah, it's just weird going from the manga to an anime as the official canon.

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#27712: Nov 9th 2015 at 10:28:20 PM

There really isn't a canon.

And anyway, the Dragon Balls were active after 8 months, Gohan in the Buu Saga is both 16 and 18 at the same time, and...I'm trying to do Rule of Three here, but I can't think of a third manga inconsistency off my head.

Basically, if you want an established universe where absolutely everything makes sense, you don't look to Dragon Ball.

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#27713: Nov 9th 2015 at 10:30:02 PM

Why do I like this series again?

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#27715: Nov 9th 2015 at 10:41:44 PM

Well-written action scenes, endearing characters, and great worldbuilding?

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#27716: Nov 9th 2015 at 10:41:58 PM

I guess I have to carry Madame Zeroni up the mountain, don't I? :P

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#27717: Nov 9th 2015 at 11:17:53 PM

[up][up] I have to counter you on that last one since Dragon Ball explains very little about its setting.

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#27718: Nov 9th 2015 at 11:38:52 PM

The animal-Humans still go unexplained, yeah, but I was referring more to small things like a throwaway line about someone wishing to rule the world most likely being the cause of the monogovernment Earth has.

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#27719: Nov 9th 2015 at 11:47:29 PM

I would question the great action scenes part after the Saiyan Saga.

What I like about Dragon Ball are the endearing characters. I don't really care too much about the fights.

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#27720: Nov 9th 2015 at 11:56:56 PM

The Instant Transmission Kamehameha was pretty cool. As was the Vegetto Buuhan fight. Though I do agree that the best fight choreography was pre-Z.

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#27721: Nov 10th 2015 at 12:17:00 AM

I think the best choreographed fight in Dragon Ball would be Goku VS Jackie Chun. There's one part of the fight, after Jackie blows up the moon if memory serves, where they drop all of the tricks and strange styles and it just becomes the closest Dragon Ball's ever gotten to an actual martial arts fight. It was really enjoyable.

Of course, I enjoy basically all fights in Dragon Ball Z for their over-the-top nature but still.

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#27722: Nov 10th 2015 at 12:46:09 AM

[up][up] Okay you got me at Vegetto. That fight was cool. My memory is hazy on the Buuhan fight. The only thing I can really remember all that well is Gohan's badass one liner.

edited 10th Nov '15 12:46:48 AM by MadSkillz

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#27723: Nov 10th 2015 at 12:51:11 AM

...I meant Vegetto vs Buuhan, AKA Buu with Gohan absorbed.

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#27724: Nov 10th 2015 at 1:06:54 AM

Goku vs Freeza was pretty good when it first started. Then it started dragging on. Then Goku went Super Saiyan, and it dragged on even more, especially in the anime.

And rereading the manga, I also really like Goku vs Cell. And Gotenks vs Super Buu is absolutely hilarious.

But, yeah. I watch this show for the characters, for the ridiculous but awesome world, and the fact that you don't get a shonen more over-the-top than it. At least in terms of sheer power.

edited 10th Nov '15 1:07:41 AM by LOLypop1224

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#27725: Nov 10th 2015 at 1:19:10 AM

[up] The final battle of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann has them throwing galaxies around like they're shuriken and the villain uses an attack with the power of the Big Bang. In the second movie, they end up destroying and restarting the pocket dimension they're fighting in.

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