The Tuffles were mentioned in Filler in the Anime in Z. King Kai told Goku a story about them. And how the Saiyans killed them all.
And Toriyama mentioned them in an interview.
edited 9th Nov '15 4:05:17 PM by unnoun
Them inventing Scouters fits with their portrayal in everything else.
Although the Tuffles were physically weak compared to the Saiyans, they were good with technology.
Also, the fact that Toriyama calls them "the original inhabitants" of Planet Vegeta, also seems to indicate the thing from the Filler about the Saiyans coming to Planet Vegeta from somewhere else is actually true.
edited 9th Nov '15 4:07:48 PM by unnoun
So it's kind of a Canon Immigrant thing, then?
what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone elseI mean, the idea of the Saiyans coming to Planet Plant from somewhere else is a little weird, because how the fuck would the Saiyans invent a space ship?
On the other hand, the idea that they had to abandon their first planet because they ended up blowing it up fits amazingly well.
I like to imagine the first and only Saiyan-designed spaceship was a piece of junk held together with duck tape and didn't so much land as crash.
The fact that the story also mentions the Saiyans living divided in tribes in the wastes of Planet Plant while the Tuffles lived in fertile cities is. I mean. I sorta like the idea of class warfare between the Saiyans and Tuffles. It's my jam.
Like, apparently the Tuffles and their technology were winning the war, and overwhelmingly so.
Until the Saiyan tribes united and launched a coordinated attack on the first Full Moon in ten years.
Because a bunch of Great Apes working together is a terrifying thing.
edited 9th Nov '15 4:20:51 PM by unnoun
According to Raichi. According to Baby.
According to Vegeta the Tuffles were oppressive imperialist dicks.
I mean, I'm not saying Vegeta's right, but. I mean, yeah, he's a murderous asshole himself.
But I will say that I like the idea of there being some genuine ambiguity there.
I mean, nevermind the fact that's basically the exact same rhetoric a lot of imperialists throughout history have used to justify themselves.
...I'm imagining the Tuffles enslaving Saiyans and making them fight in arenas.
Fostering conflict between different tribes.
Saiyan prostitutes and sex slaves being considered "exotic".
edited 9th Nov '15 5:44:05 PM by unnoun
Sayians went on to merrily travel the universe and preform genocides for money. That they killed Tuffels for no good reason at all is totally in character for them.
Except with Sayians that's literally true.
And how could Tuffels be imperialists when it's the Sayains that came to their planet?
edited 9th Nov '15 5:45:39 PM by Shlugo_the_great
And how could Tuffels be imperialists when it's the Sayains that came to their planet?
I mean.
It's basically the same situation as immigrants and refugees in modern society.
The established people hold all the cards.
The Tuffles got the fertile land, and the cities, and the technology. The Saiyans got the arid, barren deserts, mountains, and badlands.
And given the way Saiyans eat.
...And, I mean, the Saiyans also did genocides to not be genocided themselves.
The Saiyans are all about fighting, but the complete decimation and slaughter of those too weak to fight back is. I mean.
I can imagine that being more recent and a being more of a result of Frieza.
Like, I can't imagine that the Saiyans would like it very much. Not when the Saiyans are all about good fights. Fun fights. Challenging fights.
edited 9th Nov '15 5:48:51 PM by unnoun
According to Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, Vegeta's dad was the one that lead the uprising.
Don't ask me how that works.
I mean, yeah, according to Toriyama Saiyans can naturally live a lot longer than humans.
And I'll be honest, the fact that Raichi and Baby are so quick to resort to the "monkey" slur doesn't exactly paint them as unbiased or especially endearing either.
edited 9th Nov '15 5:50:46 PM by unnoun

I think it's more that Freeza grows spikes while the Saiyans just grow hair.