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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#27476: Nov 8th 2015 at 11:15:53 AM

So unfortunately I think it's more likely to see Goku and Freeza standing around and powering up several times per episode.

Years down the road when Toei releases Dragon Ball Super Kai, they'll finally cut out all the crazy padding.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#27477: Nov 8th 2015 at 11:38:45 AM

Whis training really is something else. Also Vegeta in an apron is the funniest thing ever.

It's weird how they talk up "the level of gods" when vast majority of gods is actually quite weak when compared to those two.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#27478: Nov 8th 2015 at 11:39:25 AM

Gods are overrated.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#27479: Nov 8th 2015 at 11:40:12 AM

[up] This should be a slogan for atheism

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27480: Nov 8th 2015 at 11:40:47 AM

Whis isn't a god.

Whis is a Whis.

And Vados is a Vados.

edited 8th Nov '15 11:40:58 AM by unnoun

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#27481: Nov 8th 2015 at 11:42:30 AM

Whis has ki.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27482: Nov 8th 2015 at 11:44:08 AM

So I finished this story and I like it.

I like things about Saiyan biology.

I have an appreciation for things that try to take the ridiculous seriously.

edited 8th Nov '15 11:45:41 AM by unnoun

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#27483: Nov 8th 2015 at 11:45:49 AM

You just posted it last page.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#27484: Nov 8th 2015 at 12:53:44 PM

God, I love reading well-written DBZ fanfiction. Especially stuff about Gohan. So, yeah. That was great.

I also wish they could explore the characters a little further. They did it a lot in Cell and in the start of Buu, but after that, the only things we've been seeing are "man, Goku and Vegeta really suck at this 'saving the Earth' business." That's the only potential character development that they've hinted towards.

edited 8th Nov '15 12:55:31 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#27485: Nov 8th 2015 at 1:17:46 PM

This series has character development?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#27486: Nov 8th 2015 at 1:19:51 PM

OHHH THAT PART ABOUT THE SAIYANS BEING MADE BY THE SUPREME KAIS MAKES ME SO MAD. THAT WAS MY IDEA!

My various fanfics.
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27487: Nov 8th 2015 at 1:34:30 PM

I don't see why you can't do it too.

I mean. It's fanfiction anyway.

If someone inspired you with something credit them.

I mean, with the Supreme Kais around. The Dragon Ball universe is quite literally a creationist one. More or less.

edited 8th Nov '15 1:42:53 PM by unnoun

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#27488: Nov 8th 2015 at 1:42:44 PM

I mean, they didn't. I had the idea separate from them. It's just frustrating to think that you've had a really clever idea and then find out that someone did it already.

Eh, I'm over it. Me and Zel already talked about it.

My various fanfics.
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27489: Nov 8th 2015 at 1:43:17 PM

I think I'd take it as a sign that I'm onto something. That I'm tuning in to the zeitgeist.

edited 8th Nov '15 1:45:07 PM by unnoun

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#27490: Nov 8th 2015 at 1:43:32 PM

Of course it has character development. Everyone who isn't Goku gets a lot of it, at least when they're first introduced. Piccolo gets some, Gohan gets a lot, and Vegeta gets so much it takes the entire Z portion and it's still not finished yet.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27491: Nov 8th 2015 at 1:46:08 PM

I think Goku sorta gets some.

Like, there's a lot about Goku that stays the same, he's still basically innocent, but.

Goku's different at the end of Dragon Ball when you compare him to the start.

I mean, for starters, by the Buu saga he asks whether Videl is a girl instead of touching her. And he assumes she's a girl so he's better at the visual and auditory recognition. So Goku is a little better at social norms.

He evidently understood enough to know to bribe Elder Kai with a kiss or a picture or a chance to cop a feel or whatever. So he knows how to manipulate perverts, when before they manipulated him.

As Goku goes on, he becomes less willing to kill his enemies, but. Not entirely for altruistic reasons? He lets Vegeta go because he wants a good fight.

When Goku becomes a Super Saiyan the first time. I mean. He wants to break Frieza's spirit. Showing Frieza mercy was ultimately less an act of kindness and more a punishment. To completely demoralize and break him. Same reason he makes sure Cell has a fair fight against Gohan.

When he hears about the androids he wants to fight them. So much could have been avoided, could have been stopped, but. Goku wants a fight.

In the Buu saga he wastes time dicking around and a lot of shit happens because of it.

And. I mean. The thing is, I'm not sure Kid Goku would have, necessarily. He likes fighting, but. He wrecks the shit of people who get in his way or hurt his friends. Whether or not they're good at fighting.

Like, he deliberately tries to kill King Piccolo, and doesn't seem to miss Tao Pai Pai as a rival afterwards.

Because in an odd way, it's almost like Kid Goku took things more seriously.

In some ways it's almost like Goku became a worse person over time.

edited 8th Nov '15 2:28:40 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27492: Nov 8th 2015 at 2:30:51 PM

That is true.

Or maybe it's more like Kid Goku, even with his training from Roshi (and later Korin) didn't know his own strength.

After all, he took an axe to the head and only got a bump, so everyone must be that strong right?

Older Goku is more aware that not everyone is as strong as him (even before he learns he's an alien) so he's better at pulling his punches, while coming to more recognize his Saiyan instincts.

One Strip! One Strip!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27493: Nov 8th 2015 at 2:38:51 PM

That's not it.

Kid Goku kills people and knows he kills people.

He wanted Tao Pai Pai and King Piccolo dead.

When Goku spares people as an adult, it's usually not for the right reasons.

EDIT: Babysitter Gohan.

edited 8th Nov '15 2:57:46 PM by unnoun

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#27494: Nov 8th 2015 at 2:59:51 PM

That looks totally fitting.

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27496: Nov 8th 2015 at 3:14:44 PM

[up]

If only we could make Toriyama realize this.

It's fine that he likes Goku and all, but seriously. You have other characters besides him and Vegeta. Why not actually try and do a bit more with them?

You might actually enjoy it.

One Strip! One Strip!
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#27497: Nov 8th 2015 at 3:15:47 PM

Indeed.

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#27498: Nov 8th 2015 at 3:24:31 PM

In today's thread: Salty Gohan fanboys are salty.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#27499: Nov 8th 2015 at 3:25:29 PM

Isn't that every day's thread?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27500: Nov 8th 2015 at 3:25:42 PM

I mean.

Frankly I think the biggest problem is that the series still thinks of itself as a shonen series. Which is what it became, but.

But frankly, is also a bit of a waste of a lot of the potential.

The characters are shackled by the genre. Imprisoned within it.

[up][up] Fanboys?

edited 8th Nov '15 3:26:01 PM by unnoun


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