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Piando 18's Glomp OF DOOM Since: Jun, 2015
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#27426: Nov 7th 2015 at 2:05:43 PM

[up] I think they're content with Gohan being a scholar. I hope not, cause Dragon Ball Z reads as a great Coming of Age Story for Gohan if he continues to be the great saiyaman.

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#27427: Nov 7th 2015 at 2:09:55 PM

Well, I would have been fine with Gohan being a scholar, but the show shouldn't treat him like shit for that.

It seems like they're purposefully trying to make people dislike Gohan now.

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#27428: Nov 7th 2015 at 2:13:07 PM

I kind of stopped caring at this point; it seems obvious since Goku & Vegeta are so popular, they have to make everyone else suck so they look better.

So yea...that's just how it is.

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#27429: Nov 7th 2015 at 2:14:32 PM

[up] Same.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#27430: Nov 7th 2015 at 2:54:10 PM

It's just...Goku and Vegeta are only popular now because they're making everyone suck because they want Goku and Vegeta to be more popular. Everyone loved SSJ 2 Cell Games Gohan because he actually did stuff. And he was powerful.

If you want to make a character popular, you just make them do something cool in the series proper. Simple.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#27431: Nov 7th 2015 at 2:56:28 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again: everything from Raditz onward makes much more sense when you realize Gohan was intended to fully pick up his dad's torch originally.

edited 7th Nov '15 2:56:33 PM by HamburgerTime

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#27432: Nov 7th 2015 at 2:58:53 PM

[up][up] * Because Akira Toriyama only really cares about Goku, Vegeta and whoever the current villain is anymore :P

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#27433: Nov 7th 2015 at 3:00:33 PM

[up][up] That's not technically true.

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#27434: Nov 7th 2015 at 3:09:27 PM

[up]x5 Not necessarily, Goku & Vegeta always had a sizable leg above the entire cast, with only Piccolo and Gohan being in the same league. But by the end of the series, both Piccolo and Gohan had more or less retired from fighting, so Toriyama probably just felt there wasn't much else to do with anyone not Goku or Vegeta.

It does make sense, focusing on the two characters who's primary drive to fight in a Fighting Series isn't really that bad....it just comes at the expense of anyone else lol.

I don't really like how it happened either, but that's really just the nature of DBZ in a nutshell. Its not even like this a recent occurrence either, even in back in late Dragon Ball throughout Z, the plot more or less depended on a handful of characters while everyone else was just kind there for The Worf Effect.

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#27435: Nov 7th 2015 at 4:14:19 PM

[up][up] Well, it's more like we don't know and can't prove if it was true or not.

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#27436: Nov 7th 2015 at 4:53:23 PM

The thing is...sure, Goku and Vegeta are the only ones motivated to keep training in a time of peace, but that was only a thing from the start of the Buu Saga. From Raditz until the end of Cell, they were in state of uncertainty. There was always some new threat on the horizon. So it made sense that even the characters who didn't want to train still had to be involved.

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#27437: Nov 7th 2015 at 6:38:44 PM

Uh the only time the other cast members trained was when they were aware of the threat beforehand

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#27438: Nov 7th 2015 at 6:51:26 PM

That's not true. Piccolo, Chaozu and Tenshinhan are confirmed to train in times of peace. In fact, it's basically all Piccolo does.

The only time we've been specifically told of someone not training is Gohan/Kuririn after Cell and Goten after Boo.

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#27439: Nov 7th 2015 at 7:06:35 PM

If Tenshinhan isn't training, he isn't breathing.

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#27440: Nov 7th 2015 at 7:07:23 PM

wow he should stop training then

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#27441: Nov 7th 2015 at 7:20:54 PM

I don't think it's ever confirmed that Yamcha stopped training, even after Gero drained and impaled him. I think that was just something everyone assumed was true.

edited 7th Nov '15 7:21:51 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#27442: Nov 7th 2015 at 7:22:15 PM

It's not said explicitly that I remember, but it is pretty damn clear that he's retired from fighting.

Yamcha only ever fought to survive and nothing more. Well, there was a time when he was a serious martial artist, too, but that time's long gone.

edited 7th Nov '15 7:23:06 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#27443: Nov 7th 2015 at 7:26:32 PM

I liked Yamcha offhandedly mentioning that he had a girlfriend after the Cell Games when he suggested asking Shenlong for a necklace for her. Shame that's apparently been forgotten.

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#27444: Nov 7th 2015 at 7:47:34 PM

He stays in shape but I doubt he trains for anything resembling competitive.

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#27445: Nov 7th 2015 at 7:48:30 PM

The difference simply wouldn't be meaningful.

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#27446: Nov 7th 2015 at 7:55:18 PM

This week in Dragonball Super... Vegeta being domesticated.

QUALITY of course returns for the episode, but I think it gets offset by the ridiculous situation Goku and Vegeta are put into. It's really really weird to listen to Vegeta being... polite. No, seriously, he's so subdued here (well, as subdued as one can be when Goku suddenly drops in uninvited) it's unreal.

That, and the two most powerful mortals in the 7th universe essentially treated as house staff by Whis, heh.

The second half deals with weight training after chores of course... Though obviously Whis being Whis, the weights in question are heavy enough that Goku and Vegeta could barely carry them off inches above the ground... And then they have to run the perimeter of Beerus' planet... And the ground behind them is starting to disappear in timed intervals...

EDIT: Welp, we're skipping directly to Resurrection F material next episode, with Frieza revived already. Looks like we're not seeing HOW Vegeta becomes SSG after all (though this week implies that he's been gaining God ki by osmosis simply by being close to Beerus for so long).

edited 7th Nov '15 8:12:48 PM by MyssaRei

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#27447: Nov 7th 2015 at 8:53:27 PM

Well, needing a super saiyan for Revival Of F makes sense. Making that super saiyan someone Freeza knows also makes sense, making that super saiyan someone with qualities similar to Goku also makes sense and having that super saiyan show fear in the face of Freezer's weakest form also makes sense. Freeza hates super saiyans, Freeza was a terror on Namek and having someone who experienced that terror relive it with an even stronger Freezer is a good reminder of that, giving Freeza an outlet to rant about and contrast himself to Goku, super saiyan is now insufficient in the face of Freezer.

As much as I'd like to say they could have just used Vegeta if they weren't so intent on wanking him, as much as one could say Goten or Trunks could have produced a similar effect, Gohan is the only one unlucky enough to fit all of those qualities. The question is whether you feel the explanation was pulled out of someone's proverbial ass for what would otherwise be a good story or that the story told was good enough to let you forgive Gohan's demotion.

Personally, I'm amiss to see how Gohan would ever let himself lose the kai power up. He stayed away for over twenty five hours standing and then sitting still the whole time just to get that thing. I'd like to think that it was lost as part of the god ritual. Gohan, at some point goes god but can't internalize the energy after the time limit expires unlike Goku/Vegeta. Gohan, also finds that he has lost his kai power up, buries himself further into his studies in an effort to fight off his disappointment in himself but this causes his power level to further atrophy, further increasing his self loathing, self loathing that will only be overcame with the help of Videl...

You know what, Gohan's a nerd. His power gained from the Kai ritual is still there, it just went back into hiding out of embarrassment. Someone else came up with that and I'm sticking to it.

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#27448: Nov 7th 2015 at 9:04:30 PM

[up]I think the idea that the kai power up had some kind of funky effect of the SSG ritual is a pretty cool theory.

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#27449: Nov 7th 2015 at 9:45:23 PM

Goten and Trunks would have worked better for that role. Freeza may not know them personally, but they're both chibi cersions of the Super Saiyans that defeated him. And they both max out at Super Saiyan 1, making the resemblance even greater. It'd be perfect, and hilarious to see Freeza get confused by them.

Otherwise, Gohan could keep his Ultimate power up and just like BOG turn Super Saiyan for appearance. He knows about Freeza's (past) fear of Super Saiyans.

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#27450: Nov 7th 2015 at 9:49:57 PM

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Agreed.

You know what? Unless someone has a reason why she shouldn't got, I still say 18 should just join in on the battle and Krillin should stay back.

And this is from someone who doesn't like the idea of just inverting the Stay in the Kitchen thing.

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