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#27126: Nov 2nd 2015 at 3:04:09 AM

Those two didn't do anything when the Kaioshins were getting murdered by Boo, I so I don't see them helping Yenma either.

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#27127: Nov 2nd 2015 at 3:08:14 AM

Yenma: "Hey guys I've got this guy who's kicking everybody's asses and-"

Beerus: "I am out of fucks to give."

Whis: "Do you have cake? No? Then I don't care."

Yenma: "... Shit."

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#27128: Nov 2nd 2015 at 3:38:26 AM

Pretty sure I haven't touched a New Fifty Two comic. When the name Superman comes up I think of that angry man from the golden age(my favorite), ridiculous 'Silver Age' comics, the post crisis one, the animated series and the Fair for Its Day but still uncomfortably racist technicolor cartoon, none of whom seem like particularly logical or interesting match ups for Goku beyond "he's got a similar origin story".

If I was really going to do a Dragon Ball vs series, I guess Superman or Sailor Moon would be the easiest money makers after Bleach/One Piece/Naruto but the only "rival" series that really makes much sense to me is Saint Seiya. From a pure writing standpoint though I think the best series would have been Dark Stalkers had it not fallen victim to Capcom Sequel Stagnation. The Fusion Reborn fight between Goku and fat!Janemba felt like something right out of Dark Stalkers.

It's not that he's ended his involvement with Super, but from what has been said he was brought on to do the character designs and plot outline for Universe 6. Some of the more original episodes might have his involvement, but the BOG rewrite seems to be pure Toei. The writing style is clearly very different from Toriyama's, and characters use their anime-only catchphrases and quirks.
I can buy it. It would explain why I felt Super seemed to miss the entire point of the movie.

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#27129: Nov 2nd 2015 at 4:12:22 AM

By the time the east Supreme Kai was able to get in contact with anyone Buu was already basically taken care of.

Buu showed up out of nowhere and slaughtered them pretty quickly.

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#27130: Nov 2nd 2015 at 5:58:40 AM

Well, it is implied they all fought him one at a time, so he likely caught them when they were on their own.

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#27131: Nov 2nd 2015 at 6:02:31 AM

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Wasn't that TV filler though? I remember that in the manga it was just Kaiohshin admitting "Yeah, he kicked our asses."

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#27132: Nov 2nd 2015 at 7:53:03 AM

Yes, that was anime filler.

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#27133: Nov 2nd 2015 at 7:54:08 AM

It's filler that doesn't conflict with anything though.

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#27134: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:44:11 PM

The actual fight itself is filler, but the manga has him explain how he absorbed the different Kaioshin individually.

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#27135: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:49:01 PM

In the end, though, it comes down to the fact that there's no realistic way for the Kaioshin to convince Beerus or Whis to help.

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#27136: Nov 2nd 2015 at 2:42:23 PM

Unless they knew about pudding. :P

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#27137: Nov 3rd 2015 at 1:24:03 PM

.... So I put this up on the Abridged thread, but this is probably a better place for it, so here it is again:

You know, thinking on things, I'm once again reminded of how strong Cell could be. He gets more powerful by absorbing people, which allowed him to go from weaker than Super Namek Piccolo to far more powerful than him and Android 17 (who Piccolo was equal with) in his base imperfect form. Were we ever told that the amount of power he gained from that was the upper limit on how strong his imperfect form could be? Cause if not, then he's got frightening potential even before he absorbs the Androids. And that's not even counting potential Zenkais in all forms. Not just him too. Frieza was told by his father to stay away from Buu, but if he'd bothered to train, that warning would have been irrelevant. And if he'd known how to train right, who knows how terrifying he could have been. And finally Buu himself. The strongest being in the series before he started absorbing stronger characters like Super Saiyans, Super Namekians, and Gods, and his crazy ass body means he can take a shit load of punishment, meaining that unless you are a lot more powerful than him, he can last long enough to absorb you (or later on, turn you to fucking Candy). .....I kinda lost my train of thought, but basically,........no, still lost my point. Wait! Got it! Back to Cell, he's frightening. And it's possible that he has no set power level due to his ability to absorb people.

I stand by it as well.....when I can remember my point, which I'm still not sure I did, but my idea is, do we know Cell has an actual limit in any form?

Now, he clearly doesn't need to keep absorbing people after he assimilates 17 and 18, but he probably still can. Add in Zenkai, and the fact that he can still probably train, and he may be even worse than we thought.

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#27138: Nov 3rd 2015 at 2:08:58 PM

And if Cell trained for four months...

OK, that joke has gotten old, I'm sorry.

Anyway, I've been thinking...if people still believe that Gohan was acting out-of-character in the Cell Games, either everyone is stupid, or Toriyama just did a crappy job writing Gohan.

And it might actually be the latter. I mean, if you think about it, before the Cell Games, the only time we get evidence that Gohan wants to be a scholar is way back in the Saiyan Saga. After that, Toriyama never brings it up again, obviously assuming that we remembered it.

But if people found it shocking when Gohan told Cell that he didn't like to fight, and he didn't want to kill anyone, then its obvious people didn't remember Gohan didn't want to be a fighter. I personally was fine with the fact Toriyama never brought Gohan's pacifistic nature up after the Saiyans. I didn't want him to hammer in the message. But looking back...maybe he should have.

edited 3rd Nov '15 2:14:14 PM by LOLypop1224

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#27139: Nov 3rd 2015 at 2:29:19 PM

I'm okay with Gohan not wanting to fight or kill, it's just that level of naivety doesn't work for me.

You can bring up his age all you want but the fact is at this point he's fought and seen some truly heinous beings. He should know by now that they don't stop unless they're stopped. Him giving Cell away out is fine but only after he's demonstrated to Cell he has an actual reason to take it and that he's not just trying to cop out of their fight.

I mean, Cell probably would have reacted the way Frieza did against Goku, but at least at that point they can handle it and Gohan walks away with a valuable lesson.

edited 3rd Nov '15 2:30:20 PM by LSBK

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#27140: Nov 3rd 2015 at 2:31:12 PM

Cell was going to destroy all life on Earth. He was not going to talk things out. Put up your fucking dukes, Gohan.

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#27141: Nov 3rd 2015 at 2:37:42 PM

Well, there was a reason why he was giving Cell an option to give up. It was because he knew if he got angry, he'd probably annihilate him.

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#27142: Nov 3rd 2015 at 2:41:46 PM

I'd like to point out that the actual reason Gohan didn't want to fight was because he was afraid of his own power. He was afraid that, if we all out, he would lose control and destroy the Earth. That's what was holding him back and kept him from transforming. Android 16 simply managed to convince him (somewhat) that he wouldn't lose control if he went all out. Then, during the energy class with Cell, Goku had to push Gohan because he was still holding back out of that fear.

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#27143: Nov 3rd 2015 at 2:45:43 PM

Gohan just wants to rely on his father. That is still true now, that he's a father himself.

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#27144: Nov 3rd 2015 at 4:20:27 PM

Don't know if Cell can still absorb people but he should be able to get Freeza's golden thingy, yes. He is frightening, that was kind of the point.

Same with Buu. But if we talk to much about Buu's potential it inevitably leads to me griping about how he's being shoved to the sidelines instead of being used as Goku's new main rival so I'll stop myself there.

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#27145: Nov 3rd 2015 at 4:25:01 PM

To be honest, like a lot of characters, Buu's possibly not that interested in fighting anymore.

In fact, now that's he's free of his darker half, it's possible he won't fight at all unless he's pushed, or in a foul mood.

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#27146: Nov 3rd 2015 at 5:48:07 PM

I mean, Beerus and the Supreme Kais are supposed to balance the universe, more or less.

I sorta imagine that all of the Supreme Kais together would have roughly equaled one Beerus. Where their power of creation is divided among many individuals, the power of destruction is consolidated.

I mean, East mentions that he was the weakest of them.

And, like, I'm including Elder Kai and Skot in my assessment here.

Anyway. Their respective roles in the universe are the reason Beerus doesn't kill them or destroy the Sacred World of the Kais. It'd be rude.

If they were really in danger of being completely slaughtered he might help out.

If he didn't, and they were all gone. I mean. Eventually he'd run out of things to destroy.

And somehow I don't think he'd like that.

edited 3rd Nov '15 5:52:50 PM by unnoun

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#27147: Nov 3rd 2015 at 5:58:19 PM

I'd say it's more like All Kaioshin + All Kaio + All Gods = One Beerus.

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#27148: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:02:29 PM

Well, yeah.

I was being generous.

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#27149: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:02:48 PM

I wonder how Buu would have tried to absorb Beerus.

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#27150: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:07:38 PM

I think it's more: all Kaioshin for all the generations of Kaioshin that Beerus has been around = Beerus.


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