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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#27076: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:03:20 AM

I wish Toriyama would do something about some of this, but I don't think he really cares.

I mean, he'll jump to correct any misinterpretations about Goku, but doesn't nothing to fix anyone else.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#27077: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:06:52 AM

Its not like he really cared about Chi-Chi, she was really just a minor character who gave birth to Goku's children. So Toei just filled in the gap and gave her a personality....a really, really shitty one, but still.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#27078: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:17:31 AM

Oh yeah. I forgot about that.

......Yeesh. I really do think Toriyama needed to plan things out a lot more, especially in regards to how he used his characters.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#27079: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:18:08 AM

It's not like they had much to work with. You keep complaining about her Toei personality but it sounds a lot like her manga personality, only dialed up.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#27080: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:18:22 AM

So, wait, Toriyama isn't on board Super anymore? Huh?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#27081: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:20:26 AM

Pretty much yea; Chi-Chi was really just a baby boomer and nothing more, the few scenes she had were just supposed to be exaggerated for comedy. Toei just took that, flanderized it, and made it her entire character.

[up]He is, we're just saying he's got more concerns than how Chi Chi is treated :V

edited 1st Nov '15 8:21:10 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27082: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:21:39 AM

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Well, that's the point. If he'd given her more of a personality as opposed to only re-introducing her so that he could marry he to Goku and have Gohan, maybe then she wouldn't have such a shitty Filler personality.

I mean, the author decides how important a character is or isn't right. I feel every character has potential, and the author is charged with bringing it out. He could have done far more with her than she did.

Then again, I believe he's said he's not much for romance, and while I'm grateful he didn't bog down the story in such things, maybe he could have put more effort into the wife of his main character.

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123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#27083: Nov 1st 2015 at 10:03:24 AM

Man, I don't think this show knows how a family works.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#27084: Nov 1st 2015 at 10:45:49 AM

It does, it just don't give no fuchs.

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#27085: Nov 1st 2015 at 11:57:05 AM

At this point the best human females to use, if you're going to have them get into KI powered martial arts battles are Videl, a competitive martial artist and Android 18, who though surpassed by the saiyans and Piccolo during her own saga, is still stronger than all the other humans, can't get tired and(probably) doesn't need to eat.

And it doesn't help that Chichi is hardly the only 'powerless female who's portrayed as utterly terrifying to superpowered beings'. Because fuck forbid you make a female strong enough to actually back up how the story treats her, right?
Well, there is Buuby, who at the very least is stronger than Fat Buu when he lost to his evil half, being made in the same manner as that evil half, and is one of the strongest beings on Earth...even if she's "just" a class master. There's also Towa, who is probably no stronger than Dabura but in the grand scheme of things that's pretty strong in an age where the average time patrolman has a power level of 100,000. That means most with a super mode would still only be around five million, which is like...five potential unlocked Krillens, five second form Namek saga Freezas?

Speaking of Dragon Ball Online, it's also one of the few places in Dragon Ball where Zerg Rush actually works, probably because it's an open world RPG that encourages players to form squads, but still.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#27086: Nov 1st 2015 at 1:05:27 PM

Vados. Currently the strongest character in the series.

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#27087: Nov 1st 2015 at 1:34:28 PM

[up] Dunno about that. Whis does mention it's been 1000 years since she trained him. Knowing Dragon Ball, they might just decide Whis is still stronger than Vados because...reasons. Like how 17 was stronger than 18.

And on Chi-Chi, I've heard people saying "The staff at Toei must be big Vegeta/Bulma fans, but not Goku/Chi-Chi fans". Why else do they put so much Bulma/Vegeta in Super? I mean, that's just baseless speculation, but, yeah.

I blame Toei.

edited 1st Nov '15 1:35:26 PM by LOLypop1224

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27088: Nov 1st 2015 at 1:44:29 PM

Toriyama at least came up with a reason for 17 being stronger than 18.

About that 1000 years thing, seeing as how the characters in question are tens of millions, possibly hundreds of millions years old, shouldn't that be the equivalent of Whis saying "You don't know how strong I am because we haven't trained together in a millisecond" to them?

And it also assumes that she hasn't been training for some reason.

edited 1st Nov '15 1:44:50 PM by LSBK

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#27089: Nov 1st 2015 at 1:53:25 PM

Was Toriyama's reason that 17 had a penis?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#27090: Nov 1st 2015 at 1:57:22 PM

It was that 18 was made after him so he made her weaker to try to make her more controlled. The difference between the two is tiny and negligible anyways.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#27091: Nov 1st 2015 at 2:13:35 PM

I feel like that should be a law of robotics in fiction. The more powerful the robot/android/what-have-you, the more likely they are to go out of control.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#27092: Nov 1st 2015 at 2:18:11 PM

Astro Boy would like to have a word.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#27093: Nov 1st 2015 at 2:48:31 PM

16 was pretty chill too, aside from wanting to kill Goku.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#27094: Nov 1st 2015 at 2:50:38 PM

That was kind of the point.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#27095: Nov 1st 2015 at 3:13:15 PM

16 was arguably the only success.

If he hadn't been dumb enough to make him look like his son and get all sentimental, he might have accomplished his goal of killing Goku by just sending him out.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#27096: Nov 1st 2015 at 3:14:20 PM

[up][up][up][up]Astro Boy was pretty out of control. He wasn't malicious, but he pretty consistently went against what anyone else told him to do if he disagreed.

edited 1st Nov '15 3:15:31 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#27097: Nov 1st 2015 at 3:20:57 PM

Ok, Gohan and Mr. Satan play fighting over Pan may be one of the most adorable things I've ever seen in this franchise. [lol]

edited 1st Nov '15 3:38:07 PM by Lionheart0

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#27098: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:05:55 PM

Vados still training doesn't mean Whis couldn't surpass or at least become her equal. Vegeta never stopped training but Goku surpassed him, Trunks didn't stop training but Vegeta surpassed him, Goku and Vegeta both kept training and that didn't stop Freeza from surpassing them, Tien didn't stop training but Krillen...you get the point. She could just remain stronger like 18 does to every human not named Uub but who knows. They're probably going to fight soon so we should find out.

I used Buuby and Towa instead of Vados because Dragon Ball Online had input from Toriyama too and well, we know something about them even if DBO was never finished. We still don't have a lot to say about Vados. Hell, it's just recently we were calling her Wine. We were at "Beerus is Bills" levels of unknowledge.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27099: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:26:00 PM

Yes, it doesn't mean he couldn't have surpassed her but his statement carries the implication that he's gotten stronger while she's stayed the same. He doesn't know how strong she is either. That was the point I was making.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#27100: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:29:43 PM

17 wasn't that far above 18, but 16 was waaaaaaaaaaay above both.


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