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#26976: Oct 28th 2015 at 7:43:00 AM

I don't think the peanut gallery is a very good defense of Yamcha letting his guard down. They're terrible. How many times have we seen this scene from the spectators?

  • SPECTATOR: That was so powerful and awesome and fast! That attack certainly and with no possibility for error defeated him!
  • MORE POWERFUL SPECTATOR: Look again! You're not sensing what I'm sensing!

This happens about six times in every fight for both the protagonist and antagonist.

edited 28th Oct '15 7:44:02 AM by TobiasDrake

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#26977: Oct 28th 2015 at 7:43:25 AM

Yeah exactly. We've all been having so much fun mocking him (somewhat deservedly) that now we're trying to twist all aspects of his character to make him awful every second.

Yamcha is not the strongest guy around. He realized that in the Cell Saga (and maybe started thinking of it as early as the Saibaman incident), and he'll never be important, but there's no need to actively try and portray him as the lowest of the low all the time.

He sucks, but he knows that, and he accepts that.

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#26978: Oct 28th 2015 at 7:44:06 AM

"He's obscured by smoke! That means he's definitely dead!"

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#26979: Oct 28th 2015 at 7:44:41 AM

[up][up][up]Fair enough.

Different topic. Do you think Chiaotzu would have been able to take on a saibaman? He only a little over half as strong at them, but psychic powers so... I'd say know but I don't really remember all he could do.

edited 28th Oct '15 7:45:11 AM by LSBK

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#26980: Oct 28th 2015 at 7:45:19 AM

Lots of people have made that mistake.

It's like, an anime staple to assume they were killed in the smoke.

One day, I want it to actually happen, just to fuck with us.

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#26981: Oct 28th 2015 at 7:46:56 AM

The spectators are basically just there to shill the fighters because we no longer have a measure by which to gauge how fast or powerful a character is other than how fast and powerful they are by comparison to the other fast and powerful characters present. To the naked eye, there's functionally no difference between Yamcha vanishing in the blink of an eye and Super Saiyan 2 Gohan doing it. Goku could Flash Step as early as the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai.

But if Super Namekian Piccolo is going, "I can't see their movements!" then we know they're vanishing in the blink of an eye even by Super Namekian Piccolo's standards.

Likewise, if we didn't have someone to call out, "That beam attack would destroy the entire world!" then we wouldn't know that it's powerful enough to destroy the entire world.

edited 28th Oct '15 7:49:10 AM by TobiasDrake

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#26982: Oct 28th 2015 at 8:00:54 AM

Well, we could know by having it destroy the entire world but that's usually a bad thing.

Oh! That reminds me! Another problem I had with Resurrection "F" was that Goku fired a Godly Kamehameha directly at the Earth. There was a big moment in the Cell Games where it looked like Goku would do that and Cell tried to call his bluff since the Earth would be destroyed if he dodged it.

edited 28th Oct '15 8:02:59 AM by Zelenal

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#26983: Oct 28th 2015 at 11:37:28 AM

A factor in the Cell fight was the distance between he and Goku when decided to power up his giant F U Kameha. Goku and Freezer were much closer together.

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#26984: Oct 28th 2015 at 1:17:05 PM

AND SO WAS THE EARTH.

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#26986: Oct 28th 2015 at 1:41:47 PM

So many of these problems could be resolved if Goku used his teleport Kamehameha more often.

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#26987: Oct 28th 2015 at 1:43:46 PM

How was he even able to do that anyway?

He needs one hand on his forehead to do the Instant Transmission doesn't he?

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#26988: Oct 28th 2015 at 1:45:09 PM

Nope. He often does't do that. That gesture is just a concentration thing for when he's teleporting over a long distance.

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#26989: Oct 28th 2015 at 1:49:10 PM

Kind of like how in the show, people stretch out their hands when using telekinesis, but they don't always do that, and it's not really a requirement.

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#26990: Oct 28th 2015 at 1:53:05 PM

Not really. He learned it on Yadarat and the next life or death battle he had was with Cell where he did use it. He didn't use it on Majin Vegeta since he didn't want to kill him, and the problem with Boo wasn't hitting him, but hitting hard enough to destroy him.

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#26991: Oct 28th 2015 at 2:04:52 PM

Which he could probably do with a point-blank super duper kamehameha.

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#26992: Oct 28th 2015 at 2:54:28 PM

I'd imagine SSJ 3 Goku's strategy for killing Buu would've been to gather as much power as possible then unleash it in an Instant Kamehameha. It's pretty much impossible to dodge unless you're in a completely different weight class than Goku, and we know that Goku believes he has enough power to kill Buu.

But I'd like to remind you that it'd be totally pointless because Buu considers dodging to be totally pointless. He could throw it from half the world away and Buu would just sit there and take it, because he knows he'll regenerate so what the hell, why bother putting in the effort to move out of the way?

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#26993: Oct 28th 2015 at 4:20:40 PM

Well, it would have worked if the very process of gathering the energy didn't end up tiring him out. But another reason Goku uses the fingers to forehead is for the benefit of the audience. Sky dancing, super speed and instant transmission are all drawn in the same manner(excepting when after image is used). Either some character has to remark they couldn't detect Goku's movement, or he has to use his fingers to show it was the latter.

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#26994: Oct 28th 2015 at 4:31:41 PM

That wasn't the case for the Instant Kamehameha, though. Maybe it was due to the video games but it seemed clear that Goku was using Instant Transmission due to the way Cell reacted. Likewise, a similar thing happens in Battle of Gods. We know Goku was using Instant Transmission to warp about the place because Beerus kinda started freaking out a little.

I think the reason for it is the same as why only the single handed variant of the Special Beam Cannon is used: It looks cool and is iconic.

edited 28th Oct '15 4:34:25 PM by Zelenal

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#26995: Oct 28th 2015 at 5:41:10 PM

Yeah, but Goku's instant transmission not being a part of Cell's LEGO Genetics was running theme of their encounters, including that battle, so yes, in concurrence with Cell's reaction it was clear instant transmission was used rather than some variant of Fight Unseen.

In Battle Of Gods, Goku did put his fingers to his forehead after his godly aura ran out and he started to make his comeback. And yes, it did freak out Beerus. The fact that he didn't actually realize god had ran out and was just looking for some way to turn what was already a mismatch in his favor made that moment even better on the re watch because it meant Beerus was caught off guard by two unexpected developments at once. Yeah, the next movie made it clear Goku wasn't in Beerus's league then and having reached a whole new level was still vastly inferior to Beerus but that just highlights why pushing him to 70%. was so important Beerus may have misinterpreted his vision when he expected super saiyan god to be a fearsome opponent but he did experience fear of the unknown on some level. And because of that, Beerus willingly sharing some secrets of the Universe(s) also makes sense.(as I said before, I think Super's changes to battle miss the point. It may not have had the best choreography or been the best technical display of what fighters in Dragon Ball can do but it told a satisfying story. It's like how pro wrestlers don't alway need to have put on a technical clinic or do a bunch of impressive physical feats to have a "good" match)

edited 28th Oct '15 5:45:01 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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#26996: Oct 28th 2015 at 11:09:41 PM

DBH God Mission 5 is a go!

Pic shows SSJ4 GT Gohan, SSJ2 Time Patrol Trunks, SSJB Goku, SSJB Vegeta, Dark Towa and Golden Frieza.

This pic confirms a boss battle with Base Janemba.

Man, Super 17 (18 Absorbed) is very androgynous looking.

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#26997: Oct 29th 2015 at 3:59:24 AM

SSJB is such a weird acronym.Better than SSGSS,but now it just makes me think Super Saiyan Jobber.

edited 29th Oct '15 3:59:37 AM by alekos23

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#26998: Oct 29th 2015 at 4:39:00 AM

Why does Towa look sexier... that's a little much for Dragonball, isn't it?

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#26999: Oct 29th 2015 at 7:15:23 AM

Another way we knew he was teleporting was established history. Goku's never been able to just fly around while charging his Kamehameha. Once he fires it, he can do all sorts of things with it, but the act of charging it always roots him in place.

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#27000: Oct 29th 2015 at 12:52:23 PM

Didn't Lanfan try to defeat Nam by stripping naked? At the very least Bulma did that with General Blue and Towa is like Bulma's evil counterpart(or maybe Dr. Gero's Distaff Counterpart. There's a frightening image. Do it DBH!)

Seeing Time Breakers in the Dragon Ball GT setting is just weird, considering Online went so far as to remove the fifth finger of the Nameks because it was an anime invention. On the other hand, I'd love to see a Cell-X(Super Seventeen Absorbed) just to cement which of the two is the superior Dragon Ball Sequel.

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