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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2676: May 16th 2013 at 1:44:38 AM

Great Saiyaman was fan-fucking-tastic, and the related filler is the only filler I approve of.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#2677: May 16th 2013 at 1:47:29 AM

Great Saiyaman was the point where Toriyama realized he can just write whatever he wants and people will still buy it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2678: May 16th 2013 at 1:55:24 AM

No, Great Saiyaman is what Toriyama truly enjoys drawing. Toriyama was originally a gag manga artist, and he became popular through stuff like that.

handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2679: May 16th 2013 at 10:03:07 AM

Great Saiyaman was hilarious fun.

Though I love the way Videl found out about Gohan's secret in the original manga.evil grin

Hell, while I get why Saiga hates the Buu series, I enjoyed how ridiculous he was in all his forms.

No matter what, he was always doing something silly.cool

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2680: May 16th 2013 at 11:14:41 AM

Actually I think the Buu saga is still Saiga's favorite, if I'm not mistaken?

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#2681: May 16th 2013 at 11:22:24 AM

Also Great Saiyaman is a parody of classic Kamen Rider:

Insta win right there

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2682: May 16th 2013 at 4:27:21 PM

Yeah, it is. It's just that it being my favourite makes me more passionate about the parts I don't like.tongue

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#2683: May 16th 2013 at 5:46:55 PM

I liked Saiyaman's arc for how geeky and dorky it was. It really shows that Gohan had barely any interaction with people his own age and has a crazy idea of what's "cool" or not. That said, I would never be able to stomach a whole series like that. I like the Z portion better than "Dragonball" because it's srz bznz and has Vegeta.

If they're doing a new series, they could do one about King Vegeta. Bardock is played out and they really shouldn't touch his character anymore, especially after that godawful SS Bardock cash-in stunt. King Vegeta is the major player of the Saiyan side yet we know next to nothing about him. It would be cool, but I doubt he'll ever be revisited.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2684: May 16th 2013 at 5:48:23 PM

He was revisited in Battle of Gods, as Beers' literal footstool.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2685: May 16th 2013 at 6:58:46 PM

I thought King Vegeta doesn't exist outside of filler?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2686: May 16th 2013 at 7:00:36 PM

Filler, movies, and specials, yeah.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2687: May 16th 2013 at 7:00:54 PM

Oh, he's valid in movies, then.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#2688: May 16th 2013 at 8:10:30 PM

So, if Goku did 97 Kamehamehas in DBZ, then I insist they make another official series so they can make the total a nice, round even number instead. waii

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2689: May 16th 2013 at 10:27:09 PM

If they make another series it's going to end up way over 100, but probably won't make 200.tongue

They should just shoehorn 3 Kamehamehas into the next movie.

edited 16th May '13 10:27:50 PM by Saiga

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2690: May 16th 2013 at 10:36:19 PM

Something's been bugging me.

Kaioken x__ means multiplying power by the number, right?

So... how do "Kaioken" and "Kaioken x2" make sense together? Wouldn't just a plain old Kaioken do nothing if it's an implied x1?

Also, I refuse to accept the Kaioken x100 at the end of Lord Slug. That's going Super Saiyan 2.

edited 16th May '13 10:37:00 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2691: May 16th 2013 at 10:41:16 PM

"Kaio-ken" and "Kaio-ken x2" are the same thing, more or less. Because x2 is the lowest multiple possible it's also the default, hence both names describe it.

edited 16th May '13 10:42:01 PM by Saiga

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2692: May 16th 2013 at 10:48:40 PM

What about Kaioken 1.5? tongue

One other question regarding multipliers. If Super Saiyan is x50 and Super Saiyan 2 is x100, what are the intermediate stages such as Ascended, Ultra, and Full Power?

edited 16th May '13 10:50:00 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#2694: May 16th 2013 at 10:53:17 PM

Ascended is a power and strength boost, but not up to SS 2's level.

Ultra increases muscle mass at the cost of speed.

Full Power minimizes energy usage while Super Saiyan.

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#2695: May 16th 2013 at 10:53:44 PM

Full Power is just the super saiyan state minus the strain from using the form. So it's really no more powerful than the "normal" super saiyan; you simply can fight at, well, full power longer.

Edit: Solar Flare'd.

edited 16th May '13 11:01:38 PM by Spirit

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2696: May 16th 2013 at 10:58:19 PM

Only Super Saiyan 1, 2, and 3 got official multipliers.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2697: May 16th 2013 at 11:40:32 PM

It's just that Ascended Super Saiyan seems like it's more than twice as strong, or at least close, as regular Super Saiyan to me, considering Vegeta went from being curbstomped by the Androids to curbstomping Semi-Perfect Cell. But then, I suppose he also got just a base power boost too from the training.

And even if that's close, then there's Ultra on top of that which is even stronger.

edited 16th May '13 11:40:59 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2698: May 17th 2013 at 12:56:27 AM

Yeah, in fact Trunks is surprised he even used Grade 2 against Cell, implying regular Super Saiyan might have been enough (until Cell powered up further). So I think the actual boost is pretty small, which is why it gets abandoned so easily.

edited 17th May '13 12:56:43 AM by Saiga

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#2699: May 17th 2013 at 2:47:22 AM

So, this is the thing that always bothered me about Dragonball Z.

You see these guys busting mountains with their fists, but they can never seem to break the other guys' nose. No matter how many times you hit them in the face. Not enough broke bones or ripped off appendages. (props to Nappa for taking Tien's arm off.) Usually, they just end up with a lot of dirt on their face and some scratches.

And there's no real explanation. Just doing lots of push ups and drinking plenty of juice. I have to make an explanation one up. Like their Ki is always surrounding them and softening a lot of the hits.

And after the first 3 times, the dirt clouds with the "Ah, we finally defeated him, but oh no wait he wasn't hurt at all who could have foreseen this" reactions got old.

The fights could get a little boring too. My favorite parts ended up being the trash talk or whenever Vegeta opened his mouth.

edited 17th May '13 2:57:30 AM by MadSkillz

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2700: May 17th 2013 at 3:25:14 AM

Well 18 also broke Vegeta's arm that I remember. Those kind of injuries only tend to happen with curbstomps I guess.

edited 17th May '13 3:25:38 AM by Saiga


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