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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#26901: Oct 25th 2015 at 1:55:20 PM

And very punchable.tongue

It's part of his charm assholery ASSHOLERIC CHARM.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#26902: Oct 25th 2015 at 5:45:43 PM

On another note, I like how Kaioshins can see a beetle fight from across the universe.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26903: Oct 25th 2015 at 5:54:32 PM

I really need to start watching Super.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#26904: Oct 25th 2015 at 6:50:56 PM

If the preview is right, Episode 17 is going to be one of the weirdest episodes in the entire series.

Because it looks like it'll be about Goku asking Bulma's help to get Whis to train him, only for Gohan to misunderstand and think he's cheating on Chi-Chi now that Vegeta isn't there.

I swear, that's what it looks like. And if so...I don't even know what to say.

But in terms of Episode 16...it looks like Krillin is coming out of retirement, which is cool. It looks like Vegeta might surpass Goku at some point on his own, though. Which I don't find that cool. I dunno, it seems like making Vegeta stronger than Goku would ruin the point of his character. Does anyone else agree?

edited 25th Oct '15 6:56:28 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26905: Oct 26th 2015 at 3:33:49 AM

Not really. He's already done it before.

As long as he doesn't act like his Android arc self in the process, which has a high probability since that seems to be his most popular incarnation.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#26906: Oct 26th 2015 at 3:56:40 AM

Vegeta's gone through a little too much character development to go back to that. They even changed his armor.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#26907: Oct 26th 2015 at 3:58:21 AM

Super really quickly went on to reverse the character development he had in boo saga, so I wouldn't count on that.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#26908: Oct 26th 2015 at 4:39:57 AM

Well, he still spent the day with his family. That's more than Cell Saga Vegeta would've done.

Buu Saga Vegeta wouldn't do the Fusion Dance. Super Vegeta wore a pink apron.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#26909: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:15:36 AM

I just find it regressive since the climax of the Buu Saga had him finally making peace with the fact that Goku was stronger.

edited 26th Oct '15 5:16:16 AM by Lionheart0

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#26910: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:17:14 AM

Yeah, that. I'm not happy about that either. But then, Dragonball Minus exists and I'm not happy with that. I've come to accept disappointment and enjoy every time a new form is introduced.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#26911: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:42:55 AM

I don't really think its possible to have a Goku & Vegeta dynamic without the latter trying to surpass him. In the Buu saga, it made sense for him to let it go because hey, end of the series.

...except its not the end of the series anymore, so they had to retcon Vegeta accepting being Always Second Best to Vegeta accepting being Always Second Best while actively competing for first.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26912: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:46:06 AM

The ending to the manga had Goku apologize to Vegeta for not being able to fight him in the tournament. The Kanzenban ending had Vegeta say he'd beat Goku someday.

I don't mind the idea at all that Vegeta's mentality is that he recognizes that Goku is number one, and now he's set to become better than Goku rather than prove he was better than Goku. That fits with the manga. Super even acknowledges this early on.

The problem comes if he starts to become obsessed with it and adopts an unhealthy mindset. There's no point having an epiphany if you continue your destructive habits.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#26913: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:49:09 AM

Fortunately, that doesn't seem to be case; Vegeta seems perfectly willing to humiliate himself to get Whis to train him.

Android Saga Vegeta would have just tried to force him...and get his shit pushed in as a result, and then whine how nobody recognizes his greatness.

I doubt Vegeta would return to being self-destructive about surpassing Goku tho; at worst, he's just really competitive towards the guy and an extreme Sore Loser.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#26914: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:52:34 AM

"Vegeta, we are having an intervention. This is the third time this month you've sold your soul for power, and it's starting to become a pattern. You have a problem man, help us help you."

"WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE ME ALONE?!!?"

edited 26th Oct '15 5:53:08 AM by Shlugo_the_great

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26915: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:54:32 AM

"Help me? I don't need your help to surpass Kakarot!"

"That's not what I meant and you fucking know it"

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#26916: Oct 26th 2015 at 6:57:43 AM

Fortunately, that doesn't seem to be case; Vegeta seems perfectly willing to humiliate himself to get Whis to train him.

Android Saga Vegeta would have just tried to force him...and get his shit pushed in as a result, and then whine how nobody recognizes his greatness.

Android Saga Vegeta wouldn't even have bothered because Vegeta, the Prince of All Saiyans does not need a master. It's an amazing bit of Character Development in and of itself that he's willing to seek an external master to train him rather than storming off in a huff to go do push-ups in intense gravity on his own.

EDIT: Correcting phrasing a bit. Original version said Vegeta doesn't need anyone's help, but Vegeta gets help from a lot of people throughout the series. What he doesn't get is formal training. He does all his training himself, only turning to others to lend him the tools.

edited 26th Oct '15 7:02:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#26917: Oct 26th 2015 at 7:24:25 AM

[up]

Push-ups, sit-ups, and plenty of juice you mean. :P

But yeah, Vegeta going out of his way to seek out someone to train him is a big deal, I think.

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#26918: Oct 26th 2015 at 10:38:16 AM

Vegeta's revelation was that Goku was stronger than him. This was a revelation because up until that exact second, from the moment Vegeta had met Kakarot, he had assumed himself superior on the genetic level. Every time Goku would surpass him, as far as Vegeta was concerned, was just bullshit, luck, and divine intervention to get this low class piece of trash to stand on equal footing with the most powerful Saiyan to ever be born.

At the end of the Buu Saga, Vegeta has accepted that Goku is stronger than him. No bullshit, no lies, no unfairness, and no way he can get around it. Goku is the best.

FOR NOW.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#26919: Oct 26th 2015 at 4:59:08 PM

If an Oozaru is x 10 and SSJ is x 50, how powerful would a Super Oozaru be?

Since SSJ4 is just a mastery of Super Oozaru (like Full Power SSJ is to SSJ), I'm guessing it has the same multiplier.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#26920: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:03:28 PM

I think SSJ 4 is something like 10x stronger than SSJ 3 so, around 4000 times base.

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#26921: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:03:37 PM

It's hard to tell, due to Baby benefitting less from the Gold Oozaru transformation than Goku benefits from Super Saiyan 4. It could just be because he am no real super sand, but it could also be that Super Saiyan 4 adds additional power on top of that which Gold Oozaru would offer.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#26922: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:14:37 PM

I think GT is bullshit but, if I must (remember that GT made Super Saiyan much weaker, either that or base Goku is way over 50x base Gohan...):

SS 1: 2.5x base

SS 2: 5x base so 2x SS 1

SS 3: 10x base so 2x SS 2

Golden Oozaru (SS 1 x Oozaru): 25x base

SS 4 (SS 3 x Oozaru): 100x base

I don't care whether or not you guys think this is wrong (although it probably is) because GT is garbage and not worth my effort to actually try.

edited 26th Oct '15 5:16:09 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#26923: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:18:24 PM

[up]Actually GT makes Super Sayian even stronger. Basic Super Sayian is 100x base in GT.

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#26924: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:23:32 PM

[up]Don't care much (about GT) but how do you figure?

edited 26th Oct '15 5:24:16 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#26925: Oct 26th 2015 at 5:24:59 PM

When Goku turns Super Sayian against Rild, the letter notes as much.


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