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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#26876: Oct 24th 2015 at 9:47:22 PM

I do recall him saying he thought he might have to use it if the battle went on too long.

So I guess he would have eventually won, but he wondered if he needed to pick up the pace by just Kaioukening Nappa's ass right then and there.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#26877: Oct 24th 2015 at 10:15:27 PM

In this week's Dragonball Super... Some reminiscing between Goku and Krillin, which sort of leads to some more scenes with Krillin and his family, the latter is always a plus in my book. Man how did 18 turn into such an understanding wife?

Also it seems that in Super it's Vegeta who gets the jump over Goku, and manages to convince Whis to train him personally. We also see the body armor he starts using in the Resurrection F movie.

So yeah, here we have it, Vegeta is definitely looking for an alternative to the Super Saiyan God ritual after all.

edited 24th Oct '15 10:16:05 PM by MyssaRei

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#26878: Oct 24th 2015 at 10:46:59 PM

If Vegeta really does end up getting God without the ritual...I don't know what I'm going to think. It just sounds so stupid. And it makes Vegeta seem more gifted than Goku, something which never happens in the series ever.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#26879: Oct 24th 2015 at 11:58:27 PM

Vegeta is more gifted than Goku. Socially and genetically anyway. One's a low class warrior, the other is an elite. Goku's had training from two great martial artists, the caretaker of every Earth god and a literal god, so he eventually surpassed Vegeta, which made Vegeta attribute Goku's supremacy to a natural gift but after watching 'kararot' fight while frustrated for a prolonged period realized nope, he's just better than I am.

Technically he realized Goku was better than him in Cell Saga too, but again, that lead to the "natural gift" line of thinking, and to be fair, Gohan, who surpassed them all, really does have that gift, for some reason(how does the offspring of low class trash and a puny Earthling have so much potential?). So it's easy to see why he made that mistake.

The point being Vegeta seeking out training from a martial arts master after coming to the realization Goku is just better and proved "training can surpass birthright" makes sense if they're insistent on keeping Vegeta at the top for however many sagas, more sense than Vegeta stealing Gohan's gimmick of random power ups when friends/family get hurt. Achieving Super Saiyan God without the ritual? I still don't like that idea but am willing to see how he does it before offering any criticism beyond that.

Two of my biggest issues are Piccolo going to the background after his efforts to catch up ultimately fail in the android saga but Vegeta getting to stay in the limelight after his even more extreme actions to catch up fail in the Buu saga, and the serious lack of new forefront fighters following the saiyan saga after getting a steady supply of them previously.

My second gripe might actually be addressed if Beerus and Whis fight on the same team as Goku, Vegeta and filler(Gotenks/Gohan/Buu) for the Earth. That alone would justify Vegeta getting god from Whis, so long as it is portrayed in too stupid a manner.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#26880: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:03:24 AM

I think the reason that Gohan is so strong is the fact that he's the son of the strongest woman on the planet who isn't part apocalypse machine and the fact that being part human apparently doesn't dilute your power or ability to get stronger.

People may forget, but Chi Chi and the Ox King are among the top .01% of the humans on earth.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#26881: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:18:47 AM

...so, I've just been going through the backlog and I might be archiving some of the best quotes in this thread. And I found this gem from Unnoun about Battle of Gods:

EDIT: So, why did everyone but Videl turn Super Saiyan when they did the god ritual? Is that a requirement? Did Pan turn Super Saiyan?

Hilarious in Hindsight, indeed.

edited 25th Oct '15 12:19:28 AM by LOLypop1224

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#26882: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:33:34 AM

Did you find our discussion on what would happen if they tricked Cell into absorbing Yamcha? That was one of my favorites.

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#26883: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:41:40 AM

I don't remember it. I did find this gem from I Am Not Creative Enough, though:

Yamcha's potential is the potential to suck even harder. Unlocking it would cause him to suck so much he'd overflow the level of suckage and wrap around to being the single most badass being that has ever existed.

edited 25th Oct '15 12:42:09 AM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#26884: Oct 25th 2015 at 5:09:06 AM

And I stand by it.

If I ever have time, I'm so writing that crackfic.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#26885: Oct 25th 2015 at 5:48:26 AM

I'd like to thank Lionheart0 for making us all think about Goku blowing his load with Vegeta.

edited 25th Oct '15 6:05:32 AM by unnoun

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#26886: Oct 25th 2015 at 6:38:36 AM

[up]I mean c'mon, everyone can see it. wink

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26887: Oct 25th 2015 at 7:19:12 AM

This conversation got really weird.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#26888: Oct 25th 2015 at 8:31:12 AM

No homo.

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#26889: Oct 25th 2015 at 11:37:56 AM

Why Goku doesn't make his money prize fighting

And because it's no fun to Goku. Unless Vegeta entered, he could win the entire tournament with one punch. Not even hitting anyone, just the wind from his punch.

Beyond that, it'd be no fun to watch. Prize fighting is entertainment first and foremost. A fighter who walks in and floors everyone by flexing really hard is not entertainment, it's boring.

What made Goku's fights so thrilling in the Tenkaichi Budokai was that he had other opponents around his level of skill to match him blow for blow. A tournament that's just "Goku walks in and drops everybody with one punch" year after year would get boring fast, and a boring tournament means people stop attending. Goku is too powerful to make a career out of fighting.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#26890: Oct 25th 2015 at 11:43:33 AM

He's trained himself to hold back.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#26891: Oct 25th 2015 at 11:45:33 AM

But he loves going all out.

And even holding back, he likely stomps everyone who's not Vegeta (or now, Beerus and Whis) with practiced ease.

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#26892: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:25:49 PM

The scenes with Krilin and Goku were hilarious. Especially when Goku punched him. How far did he fly?

And it seems Goku stopped training for all of one day before going back to it.

Wait... did Vegeta stand there since the day before thinking about how much he wants to surpass Goku? That's such a Vegeta thing to do.

Food jokes, so many food jokes.

Vegeta goes for a training, and it seems next episode so is Goku. Finally they'll be free from all the hustle and bustle of Earth and be able to concentrate on what's important.

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#26893: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:32:10 PM

I'm positive more than a day has passed considering Bulma and Whis being friends and Vegeta apparently having gotten stronger since the last time Whis saw him.

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King of Burgers
#26894: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:34:25 PM

I mean one day since previous episode where we saw Vegeta standing in the exact same spot also thinking about how much he wants to surpass Goku.

That Vegeta sure has a chip on his shoulder.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#26895: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:37:41 PM

It's part of his routine. Wake up, train, eat breakfast, train, fulfill fatherly duties by maintaining eye contact and nodding at his children briefly, train, stand in one spot and think about how much he wants to surpass Goku, train, eat dinner, train, go to sleep.

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#26896: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:41:12 PM

I can believe that.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#26897: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:46:42 PM

That's ridiculous.

He thinks about how much he wants to surpass Kakarot.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#26898: Oct 25th 2015 at 12:53:26 PM

[up][up][up] You forgot the last item on that list: Train.

edited 25th Oct '15 12:53:33 PM by Zelenal

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26899: Oct 25th 2015 at 1:40:30 PM

And Bingo.

And on occasion, let his ego run out of control and get rofl-stomped.

That's an optional part of the training though.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#26900: Oct 25th 2015 at 1:50:22 PM

Vegeta is very punctual.

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