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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26401: Oct 17th 2015 at 3:03:27 PM

Anyway, Whis disagrees to Vados claim of being stronger because he says she hasn't trained in over a thousand years.

Also, i wonder how different the other Universes are, since it seems universe 6 and 7 are the only similar ones.

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#26402: Oct 17th 2015 at 3:05:59 PM

I know for an absolutely fact that Universe 12 (and thus Universe 1) is inhabited by Cookie People. They fight each other by becoming more delicious.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26403: Oct 17th 2015 at 3:34:32 PM

[up][up] That's not it, he says she hasn't trained him in 1,000 years. In other words, he's saying she doesn't know the full extent of his power since he's improved since then.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26404: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:29:45 PM

Ah ok, so She still might be stronger by virtue of being the one who trained him?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#26405: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:30:34 PM

So Vodos is actually stronger than Whis?

Man I did not see that coming.

Humans will be used to settle Beerus and Champa's dispute.

So, what, Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu... Launch... Roshi... 18 maybe? Heh, an adequate reason to push Goku and Vegeta's families out.

Maybe it'll be more than just a fighting exhibition, maybe Bulma can get in on the action.

But then who will the opponents be if humanity never developed in Champa's universe?

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#26406: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:32:09 PM

Well, she might be.

It's not entirely clear.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#26407: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:37:52 PM

Krillin and Tenshihan / Tien for sure. 18 makes sense as well.

No Chiaotzu because he never does anything, and I'm sure the plot will just make sure to forget Yamcha because god knows if he did something, it would probably kill the fans Suspension of Disbelief, due to years of Memetic Loserdom.

Oh, I guess maybe Videl can get in there. I suppose that just leaves Gohan, Goten and Trunks, and whether they even count.

......Oh god. What if they fuck with us by having the universe 6 humans (Champa is 6 right? I forgot) be inexplicably stronger than the 7 humans?

Then again, as Saiga points out, they may be going with Human as in humanoid, while not meaning earthlings at all. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26408: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:39:10 PM

If it does just mean "humanoid," my guesses are Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, and Krillin (though 18 would be better).

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#26409: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:44:11 PM

Their best set would be Goku Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, and Goten. The others are far too weak.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#26410: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:44:50 PM

Well, while part of me thinks they'd pull a bullshit but she's a wife now, so protect the kids bullshit, I now also hope they use 18.

That being said, is 18 as interested in fighting as the others. I mean, if it's for something (like protecting her children or money) then hell yeah, but if not, I get the feeling she's chill about it.

Still not a justification for her not being at the ROF battle, but it'd be great if the anime fixed that. I mean, having more people there would make a lot of sense. I can still see Bulma having Goten and Trunks sitting it out (due to the former looking like the person Frieza wants to kill, and the latter looking like the person who actually killed him), but that's about it, and they could easily still show up anyway.

[up]

Well, that depends on who exactly is allowed. Plus the weakest guy there is Tenshihan.

To take an example, at current, the strongest person in Frieza's army after all that training was that dude who was just even with Piccolo.

We shouldn't assume everyone in Champa's world is in the same league as Goku and Vegeta, or Golden Frieza, or even the Ginyu force. Remember, fighter that powerful are actually really rare.

edited 17th Oct '15 5:47:10 PM by HandsomeRob

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#26411: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:52:09 PM

[up][up]Piccolo is most likely stronger than Goten or Trunks separately.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26412: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:53:46 PM

[up] I think he is too. Not sure about 18.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#26413: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:54:49 PM

He's stronger than 18.

17 was stronger than 18, Piccolo was even with him post fusing with Kami, and then he trained and got stronger again, though apparently not by much.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26414: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:56:07 PM

[up][up][up] Other way around. It's likely the Super Saiyan boys are stronger, and it's even confirmed depending on what sources you go by.

But Boo is stronger than either. And since Gotenks is even stronger than that, with a drawback. But he's so strong it's probably better to risk it, any opponent the boys individually could beat Gotenks could easily beat with even using Super Saiyan 3.

Also, better translations have come out: "humans" aren't mentioned at all. The word is just "individuals".

edited 17th Oct '15 5:58:09 PM by Saiga

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#26415: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:02:36 PM

Aw. Well that's last exciting.

10 bucks: Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, and Mystery Fighter.

edited 17th Oct '15 6:02:49 PM by Soble

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26416: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:02:49 PM

[up][up] IMO Piccolo is stronger individually, but the boys have greater potential, which is why he threw his lot behind them against Buu.

edited 17th Oct '15 6:03:00 PM by HamburgerTime

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26417: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:05:29 PM

There are many other factors that put the boys as stronger than him.

Do you have any reason to think Piccolo is stronger other than it seems right? Because that absolutely does not apply to Dragon Ball.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#26418: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:06:14 PM

Yeah.

Like, both of them fought 18 as Super Saiyans and she was more than holding her own.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26419: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:06:25 PM

[up][up] ...not really. Just that two newbie Saiyans, even two newbie Super Saiyans, being already stronger than a fully-realized Namekian is stupid.

edited 17th Oct '15 6:06:31 PM by HamburgerTime

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#26420: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:07:03 PM

I doubt that individually both of them are stronger than 18 yet, let alone Semi-Perfect Cell.

I mean, I could be wrong.

edited 17th Oct '15 6:07:40 PM by BaconManiac5000

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#26421: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:07:40 PM

Eh, Piccolo is an outlier among Namekians like Goku and Vegeta are among Saiyans. Being stronger than them doesn't really say anything.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26422: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:15:22 PM

[up][up][up] But everyone in Dragon Ball is already a massive outlier for their race. Also, Gohan was only two years older than Goten and one year older than Trunks at the Cell Games.

They've been Super Saiyans from an earlier age than Gohan, and trained their whole lives by "playing" with each other (which is actually serious fighting). They're also Full Power Super Saiyans, who were all above Piccolo. And Piccolo doesn't even come close to Cell Games Gohan. So there's no real logic that dictates Piccolo has to be stronger.

[up][up] Definitely wrong, because they are at the very least much stronger than 18 individually. Trunks had to hold back his strength not to kill her, and even that level freaked 18 out and made her decide to disqualify them rather than fight them. Then the guidebooks confirm this.

edited 17th Oct '15 6:17:08 PM by Saiga

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#26423: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:18:16 PM

Alright.

Wow, the power creep was crazier than I thought.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#26424: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:20:03 PM

Yes, I agree with the boys being stronger than Piccolo individually.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26425: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:25:18 PM

I think I've said this before, but sometimes Power Creep discussions make me wish the series had stopped at Frieza. And before anyone says anything, yes, I know Frieza himself singlehandedly inflated the Power Creep more than anything else in the series.


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