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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#26351: Oct 17th 2015 at 4:14:33 AM

Eh, you know what? Never mind. Think what you want. Not even going to bother making fun of you.

edited 17th Oct '15 4:15:44 AM by Arha

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26352: Oct 17th 2015 at 4:32:02 AM

[up]x7 See what you're missing is the obvious solution: not making that claim without preparing to back it up. It's that simple, it's not a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

Also, I can say I wouldn't mock you for the effort you put it and I doubt anyone else here will. It's far better than not putting any effort in. It also shouldn't be an unreasonable effort if it's as easy as you originally claimed.

By the way, do you have a checklist of logical fallacies you need to fill out or something? Because the whole "You're not worth the effort of me backing up my own claims" is a real classic. It totally devalues your point. A point with evidence to back it up is far better than a point without it.

If you're going to make that claim, back it up. If you're not prepared to, then don't make the claim. It is truly that simple.

But even without you attempting to prove it, it's pretty easy for me to refute your claim. For starters, look at this own thread. I've often expressed a dissatisfaction with Goku and Vegeta, who are currently first and second in the spotlight right now. It's true that Gohan was once a main character, but he is not anymore and likely won't be again. And yet I haven't stopped supporting him. Even though he's clearly a side character at this stage. I wanted for him to be the main character, but that doesn't change the reality - he's a side character, and I favour him over the actual main character instead of blindly favouring Goku as you insinuated I would.

Then I've also spoken in favour of 18, Mr. Boo and Goten/Trunks - all side characters, just not the ones you favour. That's the crux of it - I don't have any prejudice against side characters, it's just that I don't shill the particular ones you wish I would.

And if we expand it to other threads that I'm even active in, let's see...

  • Naruto - If the main characters are Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura then I don't think Sasuke and Sakura at all. Hinata's been said to have taken Sakura's lead heroine role, I don't like her much either. I've commented in the thread that I liked arcs like the Sasuke retrieval arc which mixed up the teams to focus on different characters and would have liked to see some of the other side characters get their moment in other arcs (such as the idea of having Tenten join Naruto in the Search for Tsunade arc, not my idea but I thought it was great)
  • One Piece - I no longer have much of an interest in these characters. The closest comparison I made was thinking that Franky and Chopper should have been closer to the Monster Trio level.
  • Bleach - You might possibly be considering my comment about how Yumichika and Ikkaku didn't need more development because they're not as important, if you've read that. If so, hah. That same post was still talking entirely about side characters, including expressing my desire for other side characters to have been involved in that battle and given an opportunity for a better showing (Kensei and Rose may be Captains, but they're far from major characters). Saying that Ikkaku and Yumichika have had enough development for how important they are really isn't something that comes form hatred. Also on Bleach, I do like Ichigo a lot, making a staggering total of one series where the main character is my favourite. The only other thing I can think of is when I thought people overplayed the importance of Chad/Orihime, and that's two side characters in a group of a fucking million.

Yeah, there is definitely no favoritism for main characters or hatred for side characters there. I've made it easy for you - just name the series and I'll show you how your claim is bullshit.

And there's no point continuing the debate if you're convinced that you're right and I'm just blinded by prejudice.

[up] Not even for me, your deredere imouto?

edited 17th Oct '15 4:32:54 AM by Saiga

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#26353: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:40:36 AM

And as for the question: Does Tien's hidden potential come even close to 0.25% of Gohan's?

Well, the answer is that... nope, it does not come within light years of 0.25% of Gohan's.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Tien peaks at ~100.000 at the most.

Keep in mind that Goku was at 3.000.000 and he suffered severe strain from using Kaioken x20, and that's accounting for his stronger Saiyan body. So you can basically consider it impossible for Tien to use something as insane as Kaioken x50. I think the very best he can hope for is x5 or so.

So, basically, I don't think Tien would ever grow strong enough to be a match for First Form Freeza.

edited 17th Oct '15 6:41:23 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#26354: Oct 17th 2015 at 7:07:48 AM

Debates with Pushover don't go anywhere do they?

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#26355: Oct 17th 2015 at 7:46:07 AM

There's not a single thing to imply, hint at, or support that Ten has that kind of potential in him, or that the Saiyans' base forms have less potential than a human.

.....Well, by the time I got here, this argument had gotten too full.

Do humans have any potential? Well, yeah. If Krillin's Namek power up is anything to go by, they all probably have some potential they could still unlock, but at best, it'd put most of them maybe in the range of the Ginyu force if they are lucky.

No amount of stacking, power-ups or other things would change that. It's just the way it is. As I've said, and as others said, it's not about making the humans stronger, it's about how Toriyama set the bar so high in the Frieza saga that no-one else has a hope to catch up, and then kept upping the bar again and again, instead of setting an line somewhere.

N'uff said.

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#26356: Oct 17th 2015 at 8:00:10 AM

Hmm, so Dragon Ball Super can have moments of good animation, if you give it to the right guy (Ryo Onishi).

edited 17th Oct '15 8:00:39 AM by Demongodofchaos2

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#26357: Oct 17th 2015 at 9:12:21 AM

Wow, that looks really good.

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#26358: Oct 17th 2015 at 9:41:15 AM

Yeah. He did the Super Saiyan God ritual in the Battle of Gods Movie, too.

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#26359: Oct 17th 2015 at 9:45:11 AM

What the fuck happened while I was gone.

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#26360: Oct 17th 2015 at 10:15:05 AM

We all spent a day in the Hypertonic Lion Tamer.

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#26361: Oct 17th 2015 at 10:19:23 AM

Oh shit, Chapter 5 of Super manga spoilers and they're doozy:

Champa is Beerus` twin brother and Voodos (Fem!Whis) is Whis` sister and they're from Universe 6, which is a parallel to Universe 7.

Since they're parallels, Champa's universe does indeed have an Earth, but its civilization died out years ago.

There are 12 universes in total, and the ones closest to each other add up to 13 (i.e. Universe 1 and 12, and the aforementioned Universe 6 and 7.

Champa challenges Beerus to a showdown to see who gets their respective Earth. (Beerus gloats how his earth can serve delicacies and Champa wants some of that.) And they're going to use five humans to settle it

Goku complains about how long of a name "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" is, so Whis just redubs it to "Super Saiyan Blue" which seems to stick as the narration refers to it as such.

Yes, finally the ball is rolling.

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#26362: Oct 17th 2015 at 10:24:55 AM

Super Cyan now canon?

edited 17th Oct '15 10:25:02 AM by Zelenal

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#26364: Oct 17th 2015 at 10:30:52 AM

At least they were self-aware about it.

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#26365: Oct 17th 2015 at 10:39:39 AM

What's the pun in Voodos?

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#26368: Oct 17th 2015 at 10:43:45 AM

[up][up] Who said he's going to be one of the fighters :V

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#26369: Oct 17th 2015 at 10:43:48 AM

Calvados,apparently.French brandy.

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#26370: Oct 17th 2015 at 11:19:44 AM

These are some top shelf puns

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#26371: Oct 17th 2015 at 11:47:27 AM

Do you have a link to the new issue of the Super Manga?

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#26372: Oct 17th 2015 at 11:55:18 AM

If I did, I would have just said the chapter's out.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#26373: Oct 17th 2015 at 12:10:05 PM

Apparently, Vodos is older and MORE POWERFUL than Whis.

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#26374: Oct 17th 2015 at 12:24:40 PM

[up] That in itself is crazy.

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#26375: Oct 17th 2015 at 12:51:37 PM

So wait, if they're using five humans to fight, does that mean that half-humans count?

Because they're considered Saiyans, why wouldn't they be considered humans, too?

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