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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25851: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:36:27 PM

Toriyama implied in an interview that the reason Goku didn't grow until training with Kami involved the Hyperbolic Time Chmber somehow, which is how he knew about it later.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25852: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:43:01 PM

That means he's slightly older than he should be.

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#25854: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:09:18 PM

Maybe his bady needed the increased gravity to kick-start puberty. This is now my head-canon (which also explains Tarble).

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#25855: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:16:39 PM

Future Trunks says "Hi."

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#25856: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:18:07 PM

[up]This theory only applies for pure-blooded Saiyans.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25858: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:20:40 PM

Vegeta is still pretty short.

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#25859: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:21:12 PM

He still went through puberty.

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#25860: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:23:37 PM

Vegeta went all around the galaxy, conquering planets and killing all the inhabitants. I'm positive at least one of those planets had gravity comparable to Planet Vegeta.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#25861: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:31:58 PM

Combined with being weaker than Recoome when Goku was able to put the latter down in a single blow, you almost sympathize with the huge chip on Vegeta's shoulder.

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#25862: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:34:57 PM

Yeah, I definitely almost sympathize with Vegeta. I know how it is to constantly try your hardest only to be passed by someone who doesn't really have to try at all.

Although, the key word there is almost. :P

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#25863: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:37:15 PM

Which is a load crap. Goku tries the hardest.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25864: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:44:19 PM

Yeah. Goku trained his ass off all his life.

Hell, he trained his ass off to beat Vegeta and failed.

Yes, he ended up surpassing him due to a stroke of luck he couldn't have known about, but he still trained just as hard.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25865: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:45:40 PM

As Sasuke demonstrates, the fact that Vegeta Can't Catch Up is the reason he's sympathetic in the first place.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#25866: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:46:45 PM

Did Goku ever actually tell Vegeta how he trained with King Kai or the gravity chamber?

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#25867: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:51:10 PM

He never mentioned King Kai but he did mention training at 100x Earth's gravity.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#25868: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:54:17 PM

"Wait, one hundred times that planet's gravity? I was on that planet. What the fuck is this guy, is he even real!?"

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#25869: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:04:46 PM

To be fair, that's only ten times gravity to him, 'cuz, you know, Saiyan and all.

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#25870: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:12:36 PM

Vegeta seems to be shorter than his dad was.

And Tarble, also an adult, is even shorter than our Vegeta.

I like to imagine something stunted their growth.

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#25871: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:13:47 PM

Yeah, but the thing I meant to get across is that Goku doesn't need to try hard to beat Vegeta.

Like, Goku does try hard, but Vegeta tries just as hard, if not harder, and yet he still Can't Catch Up.

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#25872: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:23:43 PM

Goku tries hard to improve himself. Vegeta tries hard, but not *as* hard, because he assumes that by the simple truth that he is Vegeta the universe will one day right itself and he will be invincible again.

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#25873: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:28:11 PM

I see.

You know who else tries hard?

Tien.

I bet the dude trains in his sleep.

And yet, since he's a human, he's never going to be of any worth. :P

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25874: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:29:26 PM

Plus Goku's smarter in his training.

Vegeta trains on his own, doesn't rest, and pushes himself until he's near dead.

Goku trains with others, learns from masters, and knows when to stop.

Hell, the fact that Vegeta is wound too tight is the only right half of Whis' analysis of their abilities in Ressurection of F. We've discussed how the Goku part is bullshit.

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#25875: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:38:31 PM

Vegeta trains like a weight lifter. The highest level gravity his body can withstand without exploding. Then tomorrow, a bigger number. And his attacks are just the most lasers or the biggest lasers he can imagine.

Goku is a martial artist. He learns from masters, he learns techniques, he perfects techniques of his own.

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