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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#25826: Sep 30th 2015 at 3:45:55 AM

[up][up]Being Vegeta is suffering.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25827: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:40:04 AM

Vegeta is wearing the wrong outfit for that arc.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25828: Sep 30th 2015 at 12:23:32 PM

Curse you Dragon Ball thread!

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25829: Sep 30th 2015 at 12:25:09 PM

So I know Monster Zarbon was still stronger than Vegeta even when the latter beat him, but was he stronger or weaker than the middle three Ginyus?

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#25830: Sep 30th 2015 at 12:26:58 PM

We don't know for certain, but he was at 23,000 in his normal state versus the Ginyus' imprecise level of 30k-60k, so he was likely somewhere in their general vicinity.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25831: Sep 30th 2015 at 12:41:53 PM

So wait.

If Zarbon was still stronger, how did he lose?

It's been made pretty clear at this point that higher power level means instant win.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#25832: Sep 30th 2015 at 12:43:48 PM

Because Vegeta blew his load all over Zarbon's insides.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25833: Sep 30th 2015 at 12:45:23 PM

Vegeta played dirty; he threw some dirt in his eyes and took the opportunity to land a severe blow to the back and then went all Beam Spam on him.

At that point Zarbon couldn't put up much of a fight.

edited 30th Sep '15 1:25:06 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25834: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:23:44 PM

Wow. It's so weird to have a conversation about how any difference in Power Levels means the weaker guy will always lose, and then have Vegeta win despite being weaker due to smart strategy.

I guess we'll need to put that one on the list of rare occasions where Power really didn't matter.

The gap between them must have been small enough for Vegeta to still stand a chance as well.

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#25835: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:28:45 PM

Against Zarbon, Vegeta took advantage of the fact that you don't actually have to vaporize a person's entire body to kill them. The amount of damage it takes to end a life is substantially lower than the amount to destroy every trace of their existence.

Goku did the same thing to Piccolo Daimao with their final exchange, ripping a hole through his chest for lethal damage.

Administering lethal damage to a more powerful foe is also how Raditz died.

Unfortunately, as foes gained increasing abilities to survive ridiculous levels of damage, the option to administer a killing blow without fully overpowering the foe would never be viable again.

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#25836: Sep 30th 2015 at 3:20:21 PM

Vegeta had more experience. Zarbon likely spent most of his most of his time hovering around Frieza's hover-chair, so the relative inability to know how to react to Vegeta's attacks probably made up for the slight difference in power.

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#25837: Sep 30th 2015 at 3:30:30 PM

Vegeta had also fought Monster Zarbon once before and had ample time to make a plan of attack. The last time Zarbon transformed, he was taken completely offguard by Zarbon's superior strength.

Add in some of the Saiyan fighting instincts that have always served Goku so well and it's not hard to see how the rematch with Zarbon went a little differently.

edited 30th Sep '15 3:30:54 PM by TobiasDrake

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#25838: Sep 30th 2015 at 3:41:45 PM

Zarbon probably had the most graphic death in the series; everyone else just gets vaporized down to nothing, Zarbon gets a hole punched in his stomach and then a ki blast straight through and then he drowns in the lake if he didn't die already.

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#25839: Sep 30th 2015 at 3:42:12 PM

I'd say the way Super Buu killed that gunman was more graphic.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25840: Sep 30th 2015 at 3:42:45 PM

I forgot about that.

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#25841: Sep 30th 2015 at 3:56:17 PM

Which is a shame, because he was less of an asshole than the other guy.

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#25842: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:16:29 PM

He still shot someone and actually noted that It Gets Easier.

Plus, he was kinda complicit in Hercule and the Puppy getting shot.

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#25843: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:18:16 PM

You know, the Japanese text for that guy implies that he was actually the other guy's butler.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#25844: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:21:24 PM

Raditz: Hey, I got a hole put through my chest too.

King Piccolo: Yeah, get in line jackass. Not only that, I was killed by an eleven-year old child.

Raditz: Screw off green man, I was killed by fraticide.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#25845: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:23:01 PM

I don't think Goku was that young.

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#25846: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:26:50 PM

Goku was at least 15 by that point.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#25847: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:27:53 PM

He did not look it. I don't think his physique changed at all until he went to Kami's Lookout.

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#25848: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:27:53 PM

Goku was like fourteen by the time he killed Piccolo.

EDIT: Considering that the World Tournament takes place every other year... and Goku competed in *two* of them...

edited 30th Sep '15 4:28:30 PM by SonOfSharknado

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#25849: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:33:54 PM

The Tenkaichi Budoukai takes place every three years. At least, the first three we saw did.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#25850: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:34:43 PM

Vegeta cannot have been at 23,000 when he fought Zarbon for the second time. That was his powerlevel when he fought Kiwi, IIRC, though I seem to recall it being 24,000. It might just be me remembering one of the games though.

Anyway, he received a Zenkai on top of that from the beating Zarbon gave him, so I'd say, it's likely he was pretty damn close to Zarbon in terms of powerlevel.

He would have to be, otherwise he'd be just flat out unable to hurt Recoome, and we know he actually did do damage to Recoome, it's just that Recoome is freakishly tough and shrugged it off.

edited 30th Sep '15 4:35:17 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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