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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25751: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:03:11 PM

I do say I like Nappa, though; it's not often you see a Brute-type character in a shonen with as good a combat record as his, something that has to do with, I'm told, Values Dissonance as to the Japanese ideal of "strength." Though Nappa's arguably too smart to be a standard shonen brute.

edited 28th Sep '15 3:03:17 PM by HamburgerTime

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#25752: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:11:18 PM

Ironic, as Fist Of The North Star is all about combining both brute strength and skill with Hokuto Shinken.

Of course, Kenshiro is tiny compared to all the giant King Kong sized bandits in his series, yet destroys like they are nothing.

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#25753: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:22:48 PM

Only way I can see a Weak, but Skilled antagonist working is if they have an ability that outright hinders you.

There was a Weak, but Skilled Villain. His name was Guildo. tongue

Yeah, Drum was the first one now that I think about it. He easily outclassed Tenshinhan, who in the previous arc was Goku's equal, and then got one-shoted by Goku to show off how much stronger the Sacred Water made him. Then Goku moved on to the actually challenging fight with Daimao.

So the King Piccolo Arc was the Franchise Original Sin. It makes sense, between that and King Piccolo being the first villain with a Super Form.

edited 28th Sep '15 3:25:58 PM by Lionheart0

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#25754: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:25:33 PM

Its rather hilarious how close he came to killing Krillin and Gohan and then Vegeta is all "NOPE".

But yea, I don't think that would have worked; Goku & Vegeta's battle senses are so good, gimmicks probably wouldn't even effect them. Hell, I think the only reason Guldo came so close is because Krillin and Gohan just had no idea what he could do.

edited 28th Sep '15 3:26:13 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25755: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:25:53 PM

Guldo wasn't really that skilled; he had broken abilities, one of which he couldn't even use very effectively.

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#25756: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:28:51 PM

Fun fact: Even had Krillin hit Freeza multiple times with the Kienzan... it still wouldn't have killed him. Remember: Trunks chopped him to pieces and he was still alive until he got vaporized. And he was cut in half and he still survived Namek's explosion plus exposure to Space.

So, all it would've done is piss Freeza off to the point he'd probably quit screwing around and detonate the planet from under him immediately to make damn sure everything there is fucking dead.

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#25757: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:29:23 PM

I kinda like how its an unofficial rule in Dragon Ball that when Goku surpasses you, he will stay above you.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25758: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:29:54 PM

[up] He still couldn't move very well in those states, though. Why not cut him in half and then just bombard him before he gets the chance to retaliate, like Vegeta did with Zarbon?

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#25759: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:47:38 PM

Wait, what was wrong with the Piccolo saga in Dragon Ball?

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#25760: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:49:24 PM

Basically everything that people complain about in Z is present in the Piccolo Daimaou Saga. That's where the tone shift happened.

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#25761: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:50:02 PM

We were just pointing out it was the point when the series would start to establish the gap between Goku and his friends.

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#25762: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:50:23 PM

Ah.

:/

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25763: Sep 28th 2015 at 5:45:21 PM

Every time we discuss Power Creep I think to myself how much I dread the inevitable day Beerus and Whis job.

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#25764: Sep 28th 2015 at 5:46:49 PM

Just wait for S to get to new stuff

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#25765: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:11:33 PM

Beerus and Whis have been fairing pretty good so far; usually when Goku gets a new power up, he generally climbs above everyone else. But nope, after getting Super Saiyan God, Beerus still doesn't need to go all out to win. And Whis is stronger than that.

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#25766: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:13:24 PM

And it's implied that even after training with Whis, Goku and Vegeta in their SSGSS forms would still need to team up just to fight Beerus at 100%.

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#25767: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:15:27 PM

Pecking Order.

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#25768: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:16:45 PM

Which is weird, because aren't their SSGSS forms fifty times stronger than their SSG forms? And Beerus needed eighty percent of his power to fight SSG Goku?

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#25769: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:18:36 PM

Seventy percent.

And there's no official multiplier for SSGSS, so we don't know how much stronger it is than the normal SSG form.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25770: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:18:39 PM

Wasn't it only 70% of his power?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25771: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:25:00 PM

Given that Beerus is a fundamental force of the universe, wasn't it implied that very bad things would happen if he were to be defeated/killed?

I could see this happen in the final arc, maybe.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#25772: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:25:32 PM

I don't see how that would make much sense really, but then again, Dragon Ball.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25773: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:27:53 PM

Could even lead to some tumbling down tumbling down tumbling dooooooooooown since everybody seems to be ripping that off these days.

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#25774: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:43:42 PM

So, I do want to point out that provided he can get a lock on their Ki, Goku's Instant Transmission is faster than Whis.

That's pretty impressive.

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#25775: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:44:46 PM

Going by that logic, would that mean a SSGSS Vegito could defeat Beerus?

@Hamburger Time: Then again, Whis offered Goku a position as the new God of Destruction if Beerus dies.

edited 28th Sep '15 6:46:15 PM by Cortez


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