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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2551: Apr 20th 2013 at 8:30:01 AM

Toriyama forgot about him.

I've also wondered about the Tien / Krillin question. I think I've even asked it on this thread.

Krillin still involves himself in most battles despite not doing much, while Tien trained near constantly. It's hard to tell, though I think Word of God said it was Krillin.

Also, watching the Kai version of the ep where Goku and Gohan come out of the room of time and spirit (or hyperbolic time chamber whatever), and one part caught my interest.

When talking about how different the two were from regular super saiyans, Trunks theorized that they would be able to further transform into more powerful forms. Vegeta tells him that the real point was access to their full power without wasting energy on transforming.

However, considering what Gohan does later, it's possible that Trunks may have been right without realizing it.

I find that kinda funny.

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#2552: Apr 20th 2013 at 10:03:38 PM

Well, Vegeta was kinda right, too, considering the Mystic powerup was supposed to give Gohan SSJ power levels without wasting energy in a transformation.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2553: Apr 21st 2013 at 7:02:24 AM

Kinda shows you what an idiot Vegeta is when he outright recognizes the benefits of Goku's and Gohan's Full Power Super Saiyan forms...and yet he proceeds to not use it after training in the Time Chamber.

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#2554: Apr 21st 2013 at 7:05:29 AM

Probably because he didn't know how or lacked the proper amount of time.

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#2555: Apr 21st 2013 at 11:15:46 AM

Didn't a poster for the new movie confirm Krillin as the most powerful human?

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#2557: Apr 23rd 2013 at 3:14:41 PM

http://blog.audient.com/post/48600715385/sean-schemmel

"Tell us about some of the projects you have been involved in. What is your favourite project to date?

Schemmel: “Well of course, the Dragonball series has a special place for me in my heart, but there are other projects that were more “fun” for a number of reasons. Kappa Mikey comes to mind, which was a parody about anime. Recording both the audiobooks “Shit My Dad Says” and “I Suck At Girls” was a total blast to work on because those books are hilarious. But most recently getting to play Batman/Bruce Wayne in the iPad game Batman The Dark Knight Rises by Gameloft was really really thrilling. I consider it a major career highlight. I’m currently working Yugioh Zexal and I am about to finish the Buu saga for DBZ Kai.” "

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#2558: Apr 23rd 2013 at 7:06:08 PM

Hey guys I know this is off-topic, but has anyone seen this photo...it's funny it had me dying laughing because it's soo true.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2559: Apr 23rd 2013 at 7:26:49 PM

That's pretty hilarious. And accurate.

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#2560: Apr 23rd 2013 at 7:33:57 PM

Meh, over-blown joke about "Women are cry, hurr durr, laugh at it" is over-blown.

Does that even have a trope name, at all?

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Handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2561: Apr 23rd 2013 at 9:38:04 PM

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When did she say I don't give a damn like that?

It looks like the ep where he came back from Namek(after learning about the Androids) and first informed her about the battle, but I don't remember her saying that.

....Pretty damn funny though.

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#2562: Apr 23rd 2013 at 9:45:27 PM

Kai version.

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Handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2563: Apr 23rd 2013 at 10:03:27 PM

Oh.

That's pretty good.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2564: Apr 26th 2013 at 3:30:14 AM

@Nikk Actually, you're wrong about Vegeta not using Super Saiyan Full Power. At the Cell Games we see him using only the regular Super Saiyan form, and he has the SSFP aura.

Also, in regards to this post, I don't get what you mean by the progression being thrown out the window? Saying that aliens are stronger than the Earth's strongest doesn't mean Earth can't produce something stronger... otherwise Goku himself would be breaking the progression.tongue Also, the title is really the strongest way of martial arts, so it wouldn't include robots anyway 8D Martial artists < aliens < robots.

As for what happened to the other "super" humans, the announcer guy explains that the 23rd Budokai pretty much scared everyone away from it, which is how Mr. Satan was able to claim the title many years later.

@Cru: It's not just a poster. Pretty much every official source confirms that Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan, the only reason there is any debate is because Tenshinhan has an army of fanboys.

edited 26th Apr '13 3:31:25 AM by Saiga

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#2565: Apr 26th 2013 at 7:29:07 AM

I've seen people arguing that Tien is stronger than base Goku. Despite the fact that Goku left him in the dust back in Piccolo Daimao saga, is more talented and received better training ever since then.

Handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2566: Apr 26th 2013 at 8:57:59 AM

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I imagine the stunt with Second stage Cell made Tien appear to be the stronger of the two.

Though that's the nature of the technique he used. Krillin doesn't really have anything like the Kikoshou, and his trademark technique is never allowed to work even though it could one hit kill anyone (despite some anime filler scenes indicating otherwise).

As such, people mistake Tien for being stronger, and debate the whole thing.

There's also the fact that Tien was Goku's last human rival, and only just barely lost that one budokai match (yeah, kid Goku did turn out to be stronger, but it took a while).

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#2567: Apr 26th 2013 at 6:02:39 PM

[up][up] That's bad, but you know what's worse? People who think he's stronger than Super Saiyan/2 Goku.

[up] The Shin Kikoho is a problem, but I think people would wank Tenshinhan even without that. Because if it was just the Shin Kikoho, they should be able to accept several official sources saying Kuririn is stronger. No, I think to continue to say Tenshinhan is stronger even after that requires a pretty strong fanboyism, because it requires you to fly in the face of official statements for no real reason.

I think some people refuse to get over their Ten fanboyism because he's always serious, unlike Kuririn who shows when he's scared, is short, and used for comedy relief.

edited 26th Apr '13 6:08:11 PM by Saiga

Handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2568: Apr 26th 2013 at 6:26:08 PM

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That may also have something to do with it.

The fact of the matter is, people take serious characters more seriously.

Krillin isn't always treated as being that strong, so they flock to Tenshihan, who has the demeanor of someone who's one of the strongest humans on earth.

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#2569: Apr 27th 2013 at 3:59:01 AM

[up][up]Stronger than Super Sayian/2 Goku? Please, please tell me you are joking.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2570: Apr 27th 2013 at 4:36:31 AM

Not even. The reasoning:

"He held down Cell, so he simply must be stronger than SS1 Goku/The Androids/Kamicollo"

"He showed up against Boo, and he wouldn't have done so unless he was at least above SS2 tier."

Oh god, and I just remembered:

"Boo called him a master, which he didn't say about Ultimate Gohan"

"Tenshinhan split Boo in two with his Kikoho, which Gohan couldn't do".

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#2571: Apr 27th 2013 at 9:17:48 AM

Even if he did manage to split Buu in two, that's hardly an accomplismhent. Everyone and their grandmother has splattered Buu at some point.

edited 27th Apr '13 9:18:03 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Handsomerob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2572: Apr 27th 2013 at 3:59:43 PM

Hell, scattering Boo to pieces isn't that hard.

It's keeping the pieces from coming back together that's the problem.

So that doesn't mean anything.

I shudder to think of how powerful the Kikosho would be if one of the Saiyans used it though, considering that Tenshihan was able to hold down Cell using it.

Perhaps if someone else had learned it, they might have been able to destroy him? Or is that just wishful thinking?

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#2573: Apr 27th 2013 at 5:49:10 PM

Probably wishful thinking. Cell was held down, but not damaged.

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#2574: Apr 27th 2013 at 5:51:08 PM

>"He showed up against Boo, and he wouldn't have done so unless he was at least above SS 2 tier."

By that logic Yamcha is stronger than Vegeta after his first Hyperbolic Time Chamber training, since he showed at Cell Games.

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#2575: Apr 27th 2013 at 5:51:38 PM

You think people don't use that logic, Shlugo?

We live in a terrifying world.

edited 27th Apr '13 5:51:50 PM by Saiga


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