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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#25676: Sep 27th 2015 at 4:41:27 PM

Going by the Super manga,I don't think the situation will change much.Goku will run out of gas blocking Billy's ball,and Billy will do his speech about him bein the Go D of the 6th 7th universe.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25677: Sep 27th 2015 at 4:48:03 PM

I notice that a lot of characters in Dragon Ball and Z have English words written on their clothing.

Is that common in Japan?

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25678: Sep 27th 2015 at 4:49:32 PM

Just a little bit

edited 27th Sep '15 4:58:57 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25680: Sep 27th 2015 at 5:10:38 PM

Like, I'm watching some Dragon Ball, and Tao has the words "Kill You" on the back of his robe.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25681: Sep 27th 2015 at 6:14:16 PM

Hey, look.

It's Piccolo vs Hitler

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25682: Sep 27th 2015 at 6:35:17 PM

Man, if all Hitler ever needed to kick ass was corrective lenses, we should be thankful he never thought to wear them in our history.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25683: Sep 27th 2015 at 6:40:28 PM

Corrective lenses and being possessed by God.

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#25684: Sep 27th 2015 at 7:48:12 PM

I notice that a lot of characters in Dragon Ball and Z have English words written on their clothing.

Is that common in Japan?

Someone clearly hasn't watched enough pro wrestling. I command you to view Wrestle Kingdom 9!

Pan is a food pun, and also a pun on an inspiration for a popular image of Satan, The Great God Pan. A Multiple Reference Pun.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25685: Sep 27th 2015 at 7:56:06 PM

And a reference to Pan flutes in honor of Piccolo.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#25686: Sep 27th 2015 at 8:01:31 PM

Wait... The Great God Pan...

Foreshadowing..?

edited 27th Sep '15 8:01:38 PM by Rinsankajugin

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25687: Sep 27th 2015 at 8:16:18 PM

So Pan is named for all three of her grandfathers, basically. Aww.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#25688: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:34:41 AM

Isn't Pan actually a bread pun?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
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#25690: Sep 28th 2015 at 6:42:45 AM

Does it count as pun if it's just straight up the word for bread?

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#25691: Sep 28th 2015 at 7:11:37 AM

Don't forget Pan troglodyte aka chimpanzee.

Pan is basically Dragon Ball's ultimate pun.

edited 28th Sep '15 7:15:59 AM by TheAirman

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#25692: Sep 28th 2015 at 7:14:59 AM

Ugh, puns.

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#25693: Sep 28th 2015 at 7:49:28 AM

You mean ugh, pans, right? tongue

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#25694: Sep 28th 2015 at 8:34:48 AM

Hey Shulgo, wanna check out this cool knife I have?

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#25695: Sep 28th 2015 at 8:51:44 AM

I wanna! I wanna! surprisedsurprised

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
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#25697: Sep 28th 2015 at 9:08:52 AM

You mean my puncreas, eh, eh? tongue

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#25698: Sep 28th 2015 at 9:58:28 AM

As much as I love the Ginyu Force, this is completely true. The only thing this has an effect is zenkai and Nail's beating, otherwise they end up in the exact same position - Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn are the only heroes active and they want to use the Dragon Balls before Freeza arrives, while Goku is currently out of action but will join them soon.

And the zenkai were only needed to step up from the Ginyu Force's level to Freeza's. If you cut them out the characters could have already been strong enough to fulfill their roles in the Freeza battle, leaving the only change that Freeza has no scouter to find Nail. So if Nail just went and specifically stalled Freeza so the Earthling's could make their wish, you'd have that filled as well.

You could even cut Nail v. Frieza. Nail only needed to stall Frieza because the humans and Vegeta were at his ship after Captain Ginyu took the Balls there. Cutting the Ginyu Force allows the story to cut straight to Vegeta taking a nap and Gohan and Krillin stealing the Balls and attempting to summon Porunga.

Not being a bloody stain in the grass would also allow Nail to seek out Piccolo for Fusion rather than Piccolo fortuitously stumbling upon Nail.

Oh, and they could vaporize planets apparently, though it does make you wonder how Earth, which is right under Beerus and Goku's battle, just gets your generic End of the World effects like earthquakes and whatnot...

Several of the most powerful beings in the entire universe are there. Maybe they have, like, a collective ki-shield that protects the world from the splash effects. tongue

In all seriousness, probably the Hellzone Grenade. The visual of it is just really cool and I like how its appearance and how it's a rather unique idea.

I love the Hellzone Grenade for weaponizing failure. It's a ki-spam that turns into a deadly minefield ambush when the spam inevitably misses its mark.

It's just a shame we only got to see it once and against an enemy who can generate an infinite forcefield. Would have been nice to see whether it can do an impressive amount of damage or, like the Multiform technique, if it's necessarily Awesome, but Impractical too weak to have value as an attack.

That it premiered in Piccolo's last real fight also lends to its mystique. Usually, when an attack is never used again, it's because its points of failure were exposed and it was revealed to be impractical. With Hellzone Grenade, it's impossible to tell if its failure to make a subsequent appearance is because the move sucked or just because its only user dropped out of the game.

I admit that Tien gets put up on a pedestal that he does not deserve, but you got to admit, before Vegeta came along and rofl-stomped him, he came along and did far more than he had the right to.

Replace "before" with "after" and I agree.

Before Vegeta came along, Tien's contributions outside of his personal character arc was to be a spectator to Goku and Piccolo Daimao's fight. He swooped in to rescue Goku one time and got used as a hostage against Goku one time, both fairly reasonable roles for a spectator incapable of directly influencing the fight's outcome.

And then fighting Nappa, being the third of Earth's defenders to fall. The Earth's champions died largely in order of importance, with Yamcha going first, Chiaotzu and subsequently Tien next, and Piccolo last. Gohan and Krillin surviving to see the battle's end and helping to defeat Vegeta.

Tien's best moment to shine outside his character arc is definitely his brief period holding the line against Cell. It's not much glory but it's as much as he's capable of at these high levels, and it's still more than a relative weakling like him should have been able to pull off. This is why that moment is under so much contention, because both of the following are true:

  • Tien pulled far more than his power-weight in that moment.
  • It still wasn't much weight.

Where you fall on the matter of Tien often depends on which bullet you consider more substantial.

EDIT: It also doesn't help that, as many Western fans came in at Raditz, a lot of people don't even know that Tien is an arc character and just assume he's one of the Z-Warrior superteam, heroic defenders of Earth who ride in on white horses whenever evil looms.

Going through early Dragon Ball after watching the Z anime can be genuinely surprising with how late Tien is introduced and how he never actually becomes part of the social group or one of the Kame students. Tien and Chiaotzu train with everyone at God's Lookout in preparation for the Saiyans and, because this is their first appearance to everyone who came in at "Z", it's easy to miss that this is abnormal for them.

edited 28th Sep '15 10:04:23 AM by TobiasDrake

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#25699: Sep 28th 2015 at 10:17:54 AM

So going by the Super manga, Kibito and Supreme Kai will unfuse?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25700: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:02:31 AM

Replace "will" with "have" and you got it.

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