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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#25601: Sep 26th 2015 at 5:06:41 PM

People just can't seem to be able to let it go and I have no idea why.

Honestly, I think it's moreso annoyance at DBZ's "Quarterback Syndrome" where only one or two characters get real focus with fights.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25602: Sep 26th 2015 at 5:35:28 PM

Exactly.

It all comes back to making them too strong on Namek.

If not for that, there'd be no need to make all subsequent enemies stronger. There could have been other ways to make them threats. The Androids had no Ki, some could drain energy, some didn't get tired, etc, but once they powered up enough, it made little difference.

Skill is useless unless you're Power Level is ridiculously high.

.....Shit. I'm not saying anything new. This is pointless.

So, new ep of Super tomorrow. Any thoughts on what's coming up next in the series?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#25603: Sep 26th 2015 at 5:37:42 PM

You know, the Ginyu Force could've been cut out of the story completely and Freeza would've been 10x weaker.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#25604: Sep 26th 2015 at 5:41:10 PM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25605: Sep 26th 2015 at 5:45:59 PM

Freeza could've been 10x stronger...and Goku would lose the fight.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25606: Sep 26th 2015 at 5:46:34 PM

........

[up][up] and [up][up][up]

I agree with both of these statements.

So basically, it's like the Spirit Bomb killing Buu. I hate what it caused, but I still like that it happened.

edited 26th Sep '15 5:46:55 PM by HandsomeRob

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#25607: Sep 26th 2015 at 5:57:51 PM

On the other hand, it's also hilarious how so many overzealous fans of dragon ball overrate the franchise compared to others in terms of being powerful.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25608: Sep 26th 2015 at 5:58:35 PM

This is true.

I think it's been proven that Sailor Moon is more powerful than most of the Z Warriors.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#25609: Sep 26th 2015 at 6:15:15 PM

Roshi is a Luna buster

Piccolo Jr. is a casual Luna buster

Vegeta is an Earth buster

1st Form Freeza is a (10x more mass than Earth) Planet Vegeta buster

Super Perfect Cell is a Solar System buster

Beerus is a Galaxy buster

DB isn't the strongest fictional 'verse but it is up there.

edited 26th Sep '15 6:16:17 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#25610: Sep 26th 2015 at 6:17:49 PM

[up][up][up]It did make the second Superman vs Goku Death Battles fun to watch. [lol]

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#25611: Sep 26th 2015 at 6:24:18 PM

[up][up] there is no proof to either of those last two, due to the fact Cell could have pulled it out of his ass, and was just bluffing (hell, even taking power levels and theoretical ones into considerationsn he probably was bluffing) and the Galaxy busting for Beerus was a mistranslation, I believe.

Sailor Moon, by its final arc, had characters like sailor galaxia and eternal sailor moon destroy planets without any form of Ki, just by pointing at them hard enough to explode (Something only Beerus is shown to have done in dragon ball to date) and yet Future Sailor Moon and Sailor chaos are immensely more powerful.

Goku playing around and having some fun with Monkey King Bambina would be nice to look at.

edited 26th Sep '15 6:25:27 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25612: Sep 26th 2015 at 6:27:18 PM

In every version of the story, North Kaio says that Beerus can destroy galaxies. In regards to Cell, I take uncontradicted statements as fact unless I am given reason to think otherwise.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#25613: Sep 26th 2015 at 6:40:35 PM

Beerus casually blew up six planets in a few hours just waking up. Super implies that if Beerus were to go all out, it would destroy the universe.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25614: Sep 26th 2015 at 6:48:24 PM

You know, I think I'll finally be able to deal with Goku and Vegeta (and most Saiyans) being the only people that matter when I remember that Goku is the Monkey King.

We all know that dude was ridiculously OP, and the Saiyan race is just an entire race of Monkey Kings.

And re-call that the only human in that story (that Bulma was based on) was pretty useless, and it explains humans as a whole.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25615: Sep 26th 2015 at 6:48:35 PM

In the case of characters being phased in and out, why should Piccolo be any exception? Phasing him out of combat was one of the best things for him. Even if it weren't, there's still no reason to show him preferential treatment over anyone else.

What if people don't like the newer characters over the old ones tho?

It should be pretty obvious that you can't please everyone. A series should not be adverse to change so that it does not alienate people.

Some people will like the older characters, some people will like the newer characters. It really doesn't matter.

Goku wasn't going to win that tournament anyway, the worst outcome would have been a tie.

The 22nd? Yes he was, Ten acknowledges that he was going to hit the ground before Goku. So Goku would have won without that truck, and saying Ten won on a technicality does not prove anything about his own merit.

edited 26th Sep '15 6:52:35 PM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25616: Sep 26th 2015 at 6:51:51 PM

What if we like the main character but prefer the side characters?

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#25617: Sep 26th 2015 at 6:53:46 PM

Feel free to enjoy them, but don't expect them to step beyond that role. If they get the spotlight, rejoice, but don't bemoan the fact that secondary characters are secondary. Enjoy them for what they are.

edited 26th Sep '15 6:54:27 PM by Zeromaeus

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25618: Sep 26th 2015 at 6:57:47 PM

Secondary characters are often preferred to the main character based on the assumption that they "have more depth" or "we don't know as much about them" without realizing the reason for those things is because they're secondary characters and thus we focus less on them by default.

A lot of people don't seem to grasp the concept of their favorite character not necessarily being a suitable main character.

edited 26th Sep '15 6:58:25 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25619: Sep 26th 2015 at 7:04:42 PM

I would watch a crime drama starring Krillin. Or a baseball show about Yamcha. Or a show about Tenshinhan and Chioutzu, wandering travellers.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25620: Sep 26th 2015 at 7:16:57 PM

So basically, it's like the Spirit Bomb killing Buu. I hate what it caused, but I still like that it happened.

What is that and why is that?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25621: Sep 26th 2015 at 7:32:53 PM

Also, on this:

You know, the Ginyu Force could've been cut out of the story completely and Freeza would've been 10x weaker.

As much as I love the Ginyu Force, this is completely true. The only thing this has an effect is zenkai and Nail's beating, otherwise they end up in the exact same position - Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn are the only heroes active and they want to use the Dragon Balls before Freeza arrives, while Goku is currently out of action but will join them soon.

And the zenkai were only needed to step up from the Ginyu Force's level to Freeza's. If you cut them out the characters could have already been strong enough to fulfill their roles in the Freeza battle, leaving the only change that Freeza has no scouter to find Nail. So if Nail just went and specifically stalled Freeza so the Earthling's could make their wish, you'd have that filled as well.

Again, though, I love the Ginyu Force. Part of the reason for my Piccolo vs Ginyu Force rewrite idea is so that the sequence doesn't resemble the Wacky Wayside Tribe effect so much.

edited 26th Sep '15 7:33:02 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25622: Sep 26th 2015 at 7:44:45 PM

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Well, technically, Gohan had already been pushed out of the spotlight, but the bomb wasn't needed when they could have just brought him in to kill Buu (he'd have been stronger than Kid Buu). So it was just another way that he got shafter.

That being said, bringing all of Earth together, to create the bomb actually made it everyone's victory instead of just Goku's. More to the point, despite being hyped as the ultimate attack, the Spirit Bomb had never actually worked before, so seeing it finally do it's job was pretty cool.

And that's my two cents on the subject.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25623: Sep 26th 2015 at 8:36:28 PM

Thing about secondary characters compared to main characters is that the former have a whole bunch of speculation surrounding them that fans would want to see capitalized on, meanwhile we probably know everything there is to know about the main characters and would prefer a little focus shift for a change.

I can imagine how maddening it is for someone to be a fan of a character who will probably never get their due anymore (shout outs to all you Tien fans out there :V

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#25624: Sep 26th 2015 at 8:51:49 PM

Oh, Dragon Ball is far from the most powerful 'verse out there, this is true, since there are a lot of series out there where the power escalation is often even more ludicrous than the one present in Dragon Ball, however, it's also by far not the most overhyped 'verse out there. No, that honor belongs to Harry Potter. I've seen Harry Potter fans insist that Harry Potter could take Negi Springfield in a fight.

It's also followed closely by Naruto.

Want to know what's the common factor between them?

Popularity with young audiences.

In particular, popularity with young audiences who identify way too closely with their favorite series and get into "my series could totally beat up your series!" debates with similar people.

edited 26th Sep '15 8:53:15 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25625: Sep 26th 2015 at 9:24:07 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said.

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