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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
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#25526: Sep 25th 2015 at 10:09:29 AM

[up] I don't remember much about Guyver: Dark Hero, but I hear it's a decent one.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25527: Sep 25th 2015 at 10:11:24 AM

Really? Didn't know that.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25528: Sep 25th 2015 at 10:12:15 AM

I'm pretty sure people didn't hate the Death Note movie, though I might be wrong.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#25529: Sep 25th 2015 at 10:35:05 AM

Last time I checked, the Death Note films were Japanese-made. Rob is likely meaning an American-made adaption of Japanese media.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25530: Sep 25th 2015 at 10:49:14 AM

There really aren't that many of those.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#25531: Sep 25th 2015 at 10:50:13 AM

There's a fair number if you consider video game movies.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25532: Sep 25th 2015 at 10:52:28 AM

That's a whole 'nother problem that I hope to god the Five Nights At Freddys movie fixes.

johnnysasaki Since: Jun, 2012
#25533: Sep 25th 2015 at 10:57:53 AM

so,they are replacing Narrator/King Kai's voices from the next episode of Super on(played by the same VA as Oolong now. ) due to health issues,and it was quite obvious there was already something wrong with him given his off performance lately (he also played Babidi and Dr.Briefs,but he was already replaced in those roles in the Buu saga of Kai. )

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25534: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:04:50 PM

I hope he gets better and retires happily.

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#25535: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:15:35 PM

Mortal Kombat was pretty good, but it's a video game adaptation of a Western product, which means it has fewer barriers to overcome.

Part of the problem with Western adaptations of Eastern works is that there's a huge cultural barrier to overcome. A lot of basic anime tropes are considered weird and abnormal in Hollywood. This goes all the way down to our basic understanding of how action works.

As one example, in Dragon Ball Evolution, Bulma uses a gun to great effect and is able to be a fighter because of it. In Dragon Ball proper, Bulma shoots Goku in the face in the very first episode and accomplishes nothing. This is because of a cultural difference in what purpose a weapon serves.

In Western cultures, a weapon gives power. Bulma is unable to keep up with the martial artists but she compensates by carrying a deadly weapon, one whose very purpose is to be an equalizer between those who have strength and those who do not. As is often the case with Western action fare, possessing a gun makes Bulma a combatant on par with the rest of the supporting cast, because the gun compensates for her lack of skill.

In Eastern cultures, a weapon is an extension of its user's power. Japan, in particular, lays a lot of emphasis on a warrior's skill with their weapon. The sword, the gun, the kunai, the kusarigama, whatever the warrior's weapon of choice, that weapon is only so powerful as the warrior who wields it, and its power rises with the power of its wielder. Bulma's gun could not harm Goku because Bulma herself is not powerful enough to threaten him. The gun is an extension of Bulma's power, but Goku's strength was greater.

edited 25th Sep '15 12:15:58 PM by TobiasDrake

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25536: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:16:09 PM

If Vegeta had just killed Frieza in his first form rather than goading him into transforming, everyone would have been fine.

Because Vegeta couldn't have killed Frieza in his first form. He would be dead, Piccolo would show up, effortlessly blow first form Frieza to pieces, and everyone would hail the conquering hero without ever even knowing Frieza had transformations at all.

Actually, that is a much better idea that I didn't think about. That would have definitely have worked.

And then everyone would be fucked when Cell showed up. :P

[up]I get the feeling that Bulma in Dragon Ball was the Wrong Genre Savvy.

She (due to being based on a western girl) expected the gun to work in western media, where it is a tool that helps defend you. But she's in an eastern work, where a gun is useless if your fighting skills are useless.

Or am I not making sense?

edited 25th Sep '15 12:18:44 PM by BaconManiac5000

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25537: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:17:49 PM

It wouldn't happen like that because Frieza would just transform into his second form if Piccolo got the advantage. And Piccolo would let him do so because that's just what the characters do in these situations.

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#25538: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:19:22 PM

Piccolo would let him transform because Nail was distracting him with Minesweeper. :P

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25539: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:19:40 PM

Letting your opponent power up to their max is one of the main rules of Shounen Etiquette.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#25540: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:56:45 PM

So with all the padding in Super, how long before we get a Dragon Ball Super Kai?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25541: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:32:20 PM

It'd take a total of three weeks after the grand finale.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25542: Sep 25th 2015 at 2:22:14 PM

Something I've always wondered, how do you think third form Frieza would have done against Goku. For this situation, assume the highest Goku would for the Kaioken is 10X because that's the best he could do safely.

edited 25th Sep '15 2:22:47 PM by LSBK

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#25543: Sep 25th 2015 at 2:28:49 PM

Although we have no idea exactly how powerful Frieza's third form was, I think it's a safe bet that Kaioken x10 Goku would make short work of him based on a very basic assumption that Third Form was not as strong as 25% of his Final Form.

edited 25th Sep '15 2:30:26 PM by TobiasDrake

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#25544: Sep 25th 2015 at 2:29:48 PM

Why 25% exactly, at what point was Frieza fighting at that strength?

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#25545: Sep 25th 2015 at 2:30:36 PM

25% because that's how powerful x10 Goku is.

There's a lot of room between Second Form's 1 million and the 60 million that 50% Frieza was using when he was fighting Goku.

edited 25th Sep '15 2:30:58 PM by TobiasDrake

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#25546: Sep 25th 2015 at 2:30:46 PM

25% full power Freeza is 30 mil.Aka 10x Goku.

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#25547: Sep 25th 2015 at 5:25:30 PM

Freeza only powered up after fighting Goku for a while. Goku also didn't start using the Kaio-Ken until well into the fight.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25548: Sep 25th 2015 at 6:03:46 PM

Until after he lost his top shirt.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#25549: Sep 25th 2015 at 7:23:10 PM

Nnnno, Goku was using Kaioken constantly throughout the entire fight. A point is made of this, to show that Goku isn't holding anything back and is fighting with everything he's got, and it's doing nothing because Freeza's that powerful.

And in other news, Piccolo would not have let Freeza power up because Piccolo is neither a complete idiot nor is he a Saiyan, so he would've insta-killed First Form Freeza the moment he asked how many Namekians it takes to change a lightbulb.

In other news, I always put second form's full power at ~1.5 million, third form at 2 million and fourth form starting powerlevel at 3 million (also known as 2.5% of his total powerlevel, making him an equal to Goku post the Zenkai he got from the beatdown Vegeta gave Ginyu in his body). The reason for this is that Freeza made those forms for the sole purpose of lowering his powerlevel as much as possible, and I choose to believe that he managed to lower it to below 2% of his total on his first try.

edited 25th Sep '15 7:24:41 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25550: Sep 25th 2015 at 7:27:02 PM

Actually, I don't think Goku was suing the Kaiouken right off the bat, but once Frieza powered up to 50% he did start using it, and kept losing anyway, so you're half right.

edited 25th Sep '15 7:27:22 PM by HandsomeRob

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