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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25451: Sep 24th 2015 at 7:38:40 PM

I remember Kami saying telling Piccolo Jr. that he was always the weaker half during that tournament they were both in. So old Kami being stronger than young Daimaou is probably a thing.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25452: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:07:15 PM

Nail was 42,000 not 44,000.

The Nameless Namekian was described by Guru as a prodigy who couldn't be killed by a Saiyan unless they were a Super Saiyan - this is before he knew about the split.

Nail's comment was also "if you had never split, you'd beat Freeza" so the original son of Katatz was super strong.

Though I do believe Piccolo Juniors progress still contributed to his strength post-fusion. Whether it was as a result of adding his gains onto the original's power or regaining a large share of the power lost in the split.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25453: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:13:17 PM

Dammit, I had Nail right the first time but changed it.

I fell to peer-pressure. I'm so ashamed.

edited 24th Sep '15 8:13:40 PM by LSBK

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#25454: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:24:28 PM

^^ Hm. Still, Nail didn't really know how powerful Frieza was, which gives some wiggle room.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25456: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:31:57 PM

You know, it's still a bit baffling to realize that Frieza's first transformation only raised his power to an eighth of a percent of his full power. And that's all Piccolo could keep up with.

Watching that episode on Toonami makes me chuckle at Piccolo's highly unwarranted confidence.

edited 24th Sep '15 9:08:59 PM by LSBK

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25457: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:35:54 PM

If Piccolo had just killed Frieza in his second form, everyone would be fine.

And then everyone would be fucked when Cell shows up.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25458: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:36:19 PM

And he could barely keep up with that 2nd form after a while.

edited 24th Sep '15 8:36:47 PM by randomness4

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25459: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:37:06 PM

Yep, even matching Frieza in his second form was due to Frieza not going all out at first.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25460: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:37:09 PM

Fun fact: Frieza, by himself, raises the series' power scale two hundredfold.

edited 24th Sep '15 8:37:16 PM by HamburgerTime

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25461: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:41:41 PM

Still, if Piccolo had gone all out at the beginning, I'm betting he could have beaten Frieza, since he's a lot better at fighting than Frieza is.

Like, Goku was able to keep up with 50% Frieza when he was 40x weaker than him.

Granted, Frieza was dicking around, but that shows how good Goku was at fighting compared to him.

And Piccolo was on a similar skill level to Goku at this point in the series.

edited 24th Sep '15 8:43:45 PM by BaconManiac5000

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25462: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:47:15 PM

I'm not sure if he could have killed him if he'd gone all out.

I'm pretty sure, even if one dude is holding back a lot, if he's stronger, than no matter how much he fucked around, a weaker character can't kill a stronger character unless Sorbet uses his laser gun EVER.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25463: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:49:54 PM

Uh.

Hm.

Vegeta killed Zarbon despite the latter being stronger, I guess?

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#25464: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:51:50 PM

Napa was weaker than Piccollo when they fought.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25465: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:52:33 PM

No he wasn't. Nappa was at 4000 and Piccolo was at 3500.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25466: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:53:16 PM

The Saibabman was weaker than Yamcha.

HAH! :P

edited 24th Sep '15 8:53:36 PM by BaconManiac5000

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25467: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:56:01 PM

To be fair, it didn't really beat him in a fight.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25468: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:59:37 PM

You've really misinterpreted Goku vs Freeza. Freeza was only using a tiny amount of power to begin with, when he raised himself to 50% (60 million) Goku couldn't touch him with even the Kaio-ken x10 (30 million) and Freeza was still dicking around.

Goku then had to double his power to even hit Freeza, so Freeza isn't so unskilled that he'd be defeated by someone much weaker than him.

I don't believe Piccolo would be able to defeat Freeza. The idea of him being much more skilled isn't really backed by anything.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25469: Sep 24th 2015 at 9:01:07 PM

Other than the fact that Piccolo came quite close to beating Goku when the former was only 6 years old and Frieza has never had a real fight a day in his life. :P

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25470: Sep 24th 2015 at 9:04:13 PM

He came quite close due to a cheap shot. Before that, he was getting wrecked.

When Freeza did that he actually beat Goku.

Also look how badly Piccolo got wrecked by Nappa despite the small difference.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25471: Sep 24th 2015 at 9:05:11 PM

....

Yeah, you're right.

Still, Nappa was quite freakishly tough for his power level.

edited 24th Sep '15 9:05:37 PM by BaconManiac5000

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25472: Sep 24th 2015 at 9:07:03 PM

Nappa was a rock, a tough unbreakable rock that only got slight surface cracks.

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#25473: Sep 24th 2015 at 9:11:28 PM

Nappa being 4,000 is bullshit because he never would've been able to even try to fight Goku. Piccolo being 3,500 is bullshit because it's far too big of a difference between him and the humans. My personal estimates have them at 7,000 and 2,500, respectively.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25474: Sep 24th 2015 at 9:14:58 PM

Piccolo is an alien in a series where every alien race is stronger than humans.

Nappa was quite quickly and easily beaten by Goku, which wouldn't have happened if Goku was only about 20% stronger.

So no, your personal estimates are completely wrong, especially considering 4000 and 3500 are the official numbers.

edited 24th Sep '15 9:17:00 PM by BaconManiac5000

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25475: Sep 24th 2015 at 9:18:32 PM

Goku as a super saiyan was only 25% stronger than 100% Frieza and we all know how that fight went. But the rest of your post is spot on.

edited 24th Sep '15 9:40:44 PM by LSBK


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