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JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#25401: Sep 24th 2015 at 7:58:16 AM

@Soble: The Androids being stronger than what Trunks expected doesn't change anything, and it's easy to assume they were also that strong in Timeline B. The protagonists were still en route to defeating them eventually, since Krillin, Bulma and Trunks would've developed the remote note  and turn them off on their own (other details, like how Goku, Vegeta and 16 would react, can be speculated about, but the Earth is saved).

Cell started changing things as soon as the attack on Gingertown happened, leading to Kami accepting the fusion with Piccolo, Goku suggesting the Hyperbolic Time Chamber as an emergency (he did it because he felt the power of Cell and Kamiccolo), the battle between 17 and Piccolo, which attracted Cell and got 17 absorbed. By the time the remote was built, all of that had already happened, and all because of Cell.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#25402: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:20:57 AM

Oh God! You're right. Super Saiyan 3 redesign......rejected!

Your hatred of Naruto always brightens my day Rob. [lol]

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#25403: Sep 24th 2015 at 8:27:09 AM

Oh God, now I hate it, too.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25404: Sep 24th 2015 at 9:26:25 AM

On teleporting Vegeta and Nappa's ships, they were still inside them and they still belonged to them. Shenron would still probably have to ask their permission to actually do that, because they'd still be largely affected by the wish.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#25405: Sep 24th 2015 at 9:28:56 AM

Move an asteroid into their path.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#25406: Sep 24th 2015 at 9:30:59 AM

Move a star into their path.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
Reservoir A former adventurer... from Eastern US Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
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#25408: Sep 24th 2015 at 10:22:48 AM

Move Frieza, who's on an asteroid orbiting a star, in their path.

Everyone wins?

edited 24th Sep '15 10:23:00 AM by Reservoir

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#25409: Sep 24th 2015 at 10:38:10 AM

Freeza would have to consent.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25410: Sep 24th 2015 at 10:55:04 AM

....So.....

The Dragon can't exert authority over anyone stronger than his creator.

Said creators are Namekians, who grow stronger through fusion.

When Kami and Piccolo fused, Kami stopped existing and the balls became inert.tongue

Dende took his place simply using the old blueprints to make new balls (he also had the knowledge apparently).

So if Dende fused with Piccolo for some reason, his balls would go inert.evil grin

But in theory, would that new being be able to just make new balls using the old statue, and the knowledge he has from both Kami and Dende.

So if Piccolo kept fusing with other Nameks, and then creating new balls cool, shouldn't he theoretically be capable of growing stronger still?

I know there's a limit of needing to be of the same class for Fusion (both being warrior types), but if it could work he should try it.

Alternatively, he splits himself again, and then lets them go off to train (maybe getting back up to the level they reached when they fused with Nail) and then fuse back together.

Lets see anyone tell me this won't work.

And I want a long detailed explanation on why, because only logic can stop Handsome Rob!

edited 24th Sep '15 10:55:17 AM by HandsomeRob

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#25411: Sep 24th 2015 at 10:55:51 AM

On teleporting Vegeta and Nappa's ships, they were still inside them and they still belonged to them. Shenron would still probably have to ask their permission to actually do that, because they'd still be largely affected by the wish.

By moving only the ships, it is only the ships that are moved.

Vegeta and Nappa are never acted upon by Shenron. They remain exactly where they are in space on their transit to Earth. There just ceases to be spaceships around them, because their ships were teleported into the nearest star.

Deep in space, Vegeta and Nappa are startled to awaken in space.

edited 24th Sep '15 10:57:11 AM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25412: Sep 24th 2015 at 11:00:17 AM

That could work. He's not doing anything directly to them, but to the ships they are in.

I mean, he was able to remove the bombs from Androids 17 and 18, and those were part of their bodies, so moving Nappa and Vegeta's ships should be possible.

I'm not just agreeing with it due to wanting my own idea to be accepted. No sir.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#25413: Sep 24th 2015 at 11:07:31 AM

Warrior types can't make dragon balls, I think.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25414: Sep 24th 2015 at 11:11:54 AM

Well, Piccolo is arguably mixed (he is the clone/son of the evil half of God, who did make the balls).

So he might still be able to do it. I mean, Kami knows how to fight, but also had the knowledge to make balls as well.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25415: Sep 24th 2015 at 11:25:00 AM

I liked the Bulma one by Chi-chi's side.

That was actually Marron, i.e., Krillin's filler girlfriend.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25416: Sep 24th 2015 at 11:48:37 AM

So you have to be a non-combatant to make Dragon Balls?

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#25417: Sep 24th 2015 at 11:51:05 AM

Mages aren't noncombatants, they're just not as strong.

And I'm pretty sure someone (Kami?) told Piccolo that warriors like him can't make dragon balls. But I don't remember for sure.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25418: Sep 24th 2015 at 11:57:16 AM

I remember Dende saying not all Namekians are warriors like how not all of them have the power to heal like him, but I don't remember if that's related to being able to make dragonballs. It probably is though.

edited 24th Sep '15 11:59:11 AM by LSBK

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25419: Sep 24th 2015 at 12:00:06 PM

You know, I bet if the Saiyans had their own versions, instead of a dragon coming out of the balls, it would be a giant Oozaru.

Then the show would be called Monkey Ball.

Eh?

Eh?

-is shot-

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25420: Sep 24th 2015 at 12:13:11 PM

[up]Horrible memories of 4-10: Arthropod come rushing back.

Anyway, why wouldn't Frieza consent to being warped directly into the path of two rogue saiyans he can blow up for shiggles? tongue

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#25421: Sep 24th 2015 at 12:16:31 PM

Because, as the highest rung of the pecking order, Frieza has better things to do with his time, especially when you consider that he would then need to make the lengthy journey back to his ship.

A pair of rogue Saiyans is a task for someone like Zarbon to go fly off and deal with.

edited 24th Sep '15 12:17:11 PM by TobiasDrake

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25422: Sep 24th 2015 at 12:22:11 PM

But there's always a certain amount of pleasure he can take in doing it himself.

Shenron: Hey, Frieza. Wanna teleport into the depths of space-
Frieza: Hell no.
Shenron: -to blow up some of your own subjects?
Frieza: Why do that there when I can do it here?
Shenron: The better question is, why not do it at both places and set the record for longest distance travelled between consecutive kills?
Frieza: ...Dragon, give me three minutes to prepare. And slaughter my crew.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25423: Sep 24th 2015 at 12:48:58 PM

Three minutes? That'll take forever!

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25424: Sep 24th 2015 at 12:52:08 PM

Shit, I forgot about that.

You know what? I bet that's what exactly happened. The Saiyans arrived on Earth before Shenron could bring Frieza over to intercept them because three minutes was more than a year on Earth, and so they eventually had to recant their wish and use it to revive Goku.

The whole reason Frieza went to Namek afterward was to gather their Dragon Balls and wish to be teleported into the path of Vegeta and Nappa. He felt cheated.

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#25425: Sep 24th 2015 at 4:44:09 PM

Here's a question for you: Dende vs King Piccolo.

Dende is just an average Namekian youth of the Dragon Clan except his power has been unlocked by Guru. He isn't a combatant.

King Piccolo is the evil 1/3 of the original Nameless Namek, a legendarily powerful Namekian, although splitting weakened him greatly. Very much a combatant.


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