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King Kai wanted to stay dead. He would have been revived by the wish to bring everyone killed by Cell back to life but he refused resurrection so he could oversee Goku's training or something.
So yeah. It's his own damn fault.
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That doesn't really make a lot of sense.
What would being dead accomplish?
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I don't know. Why are you asking me? If memory serves, this is what he canonically does so go blame Toriyama.
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That's just weird.
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re: the long fight scenes
i believe this is partly an anime thing.
when a manga is popular, studios usually want to get the rights for adaptations right away, so other studios won't get them first. this means that most of the time, especially when it comes to battle shounen, the series will be still in serialization in the magazine, i.e not finished.
this leads to anime-original "filler" episodes as we know them, but it can also mean that things are padded out to stall for more chapters to adapt.
this was something my brother and i experienced firsthand a while back when he was watching early naruto. the fight between gaara and sasuke was ridiculous because most of the episodes were comprised of material from the previous episode in the form of recaps, with the fight just barely advancing each time. it got so awful my brother was in disbelief and quit watching the series. in contrast when i read the manga it was a pretty simple affair without much time wasted.
a guy i met irl sometime ago who's a comic book/mango enthusiast was talking to me about DB and how the manga actually feels much more concise and doesn't feel like it wastes as much time.
now if you want to see a REALLY long fight scene, go read the later parts of Jojo. the climax of steel ball run is like several volumes long. it was a cool final battle but even i thought it got kind of ridiculous.
edited 10th Aug '15 11:41:21 PM by wehrmacht
Personally, I wanted to see Super deal with more happenings before it got to Battle Of Gods. People say Super Saiyan 3 is the odd one out and you know why that is?
Super Saiyan> or =Freeza, Androids, Other Super Saiyans
Super Saiyan 2> or =Cell, Dabura, Other Super Saiyan 2
Super Saiyan 3< or =Various forms of Majin Buu.
Super Saiyan 3 actually being used to defeat something of any significance, hell, simply proving both needed and adequate for more than simply one other opponent besides Majin Buu, would have done a lot for it. Okay, it does beat Hirudegarn in that movie but that's just a one shot rather than an on going part of the narrative and even then, Super Saiyan 3 wasn't actually necessary. Adequate but it was more about figuring out how to get around the monster's gimmick than needing the strength to beat it.
Super had the chance to show Super Saiyan 3 be awesome, before worfing to Beerus. A missed opportunity.
edited 10th Aug '15 11:45:26 PM by IndirectActiveTransport
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No. No it isn't. As we've gone over many times before, Perfect Cell was weaker than Super Saiyan Gohan and Super Perfect Cell was only about on level with him. Super Saiyan 2 was complete overkill. At least until Gohan's arm got broken.
EDIT: Okay, this is bugging the hell out of me. This AMV
has footage of the Namek Saga and Cell Saga that's basically movie quality. Where the hell did they get it?
edited 10th Aug '15 11:50:02 PM by Zelenal
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Ultimate Tenkaichi.
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Wait, that horrid game reanimated certain parts of the anime with movie quality animation?
That- That's horrible.
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It wasn't horrid, it was just average. Hell, the attack animations were better than anything that had come up at that point, due to actually having massive explosions, something Xenoverse couldn't even get right.
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If memory serves, that game just boiled down to Ultimate Rock-Paper-Scissors which is what makes it horrid. Even if the game looks cool, if it plays like garbage then the game is garbage.
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It was a pile of shit that looked amazing.
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It was polished shit.
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And in the end, when you look back on it, you will remember that because it was polished, it went through a lot better than the clunky shits you had before and after that moment.
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Perhaps but, in the end, shit is still shit.
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Have you actually played it? The "rock paper scissors" makes up less of the gameplay than people admit.
@HT The kili conversion given in V-Jump is dubious. It's based off Goku's Namek battle power in comparison to Yakon, despite Boo arc Goku being much stronger. It's someone credited as just "dragon ball professor" extrapolating from the only official battle powers we have and applying them while ignoring that they don't really fit that scenario.
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No but I watched Lani play it and was sick of it after only two battles.
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That is true. I spent most of my time in Ultimate Tenkaichi running like a bitch because Omega Shenron took off chunks of like 10% of my HP per hit and would kill me in one or two combos.
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so you don't know what you're talking about, got it.
Take it from someone who completed the game: the RPS is insignificant and matters less the better you are at it.
It's an average Dragon Ball game that has some interesting ideas in it.
edited 11th Aug '15 3:46:40 AM by Saiga
himitsu keisatsu
Having actually played it, I can say that...
It does have very good visuals.
But I did not like the combat system. It worked decently well for the Great Ape fights, but it just wasn't what I was looking for in a game called 'Ultimate Tenkaichi'. I was hoping for Budokai Tenkaichi 4.
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The name was definitely a mistake. Of course, that came from opening a poll to the fans and the fans employing stupid logic with "vote for Ultimate Tenkaichi! Then they'll make it Budokai Tenkaichi 4!".
Really, that never should have been a poll option but it was sully to think the title would change the game content that far into development.
edited 11th Aug '15 3:52:52 AM by Saiga
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Yeah, no. The RPS mechanic was pretty annoying in the previous games where it hardly ever came up and a game where that system is far more prominent is inherently bad. Also, "This shitty mechanic is hardly present if you're really good at the game" is a horrible argument because you'll be forced to deal with the shitty mechanic in order to get good at the game in the first place. And the people who aren't that great at the DBZ fighting games but enjoy them anyway are completely screwed because they'll be forced to deal with the RPS forever.
I'm not saying Ultimate Tenkaichi doesn't have good ideas or doesn't do anything right, I'm saying that it has a huge, unavoidable pile of shit right at the beginning of the game that you'll likely never be able to completely get away from.
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That wasn't my argument at all. I am not saying the RPS is shitty or that it doesn't appear, I'm saying it doesn't matter. You don't win or lose by the RPS unless you're really shit and you have to rely on lucky breaks to win, and it's not hard to GIT GUD at all.
The only other game that really used it was Budokai 3, and it did appear quite frequently there because the AI spammed Dragon Rush. And that made a bigger difference in the battles because it was entirely RPS, and could take off more than 1/3 of your health in one sequence. I love Budokai 3 but Dragon Rush's RPS was worse than UT's, even if it was limited to Dragon Rush.
It's really not more prominent because it appears in different ways. Also, unlike Budokai 3, it's not truly random. Every enemy AI has its own pattern and since Strike and Pursuit have different purposes (building Spirit versus reducing enemy ki) it serves a function other than RPS - which also makes it less random, as it is easy to predict based on what the enemy needs to be doing.
In terms of actually avoiding it, that's pretty easy even for extremely new players. Attacking the back, charged kicks, or activating Strike Booster all let you combo without it.
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It's true, Kaio-sama's dead by choice. This context makes the scene in which he distracts Goku from inquiring about Beerus by guilting him over never reviving him funnier.
As for why they're redoing Battle of Gods, I can see a couple reasons. One is to take a mulligan on the story in general; Battle of Gods was good, but didn't allow for a lot of character development or revisiting the cast due to the time constraints of a movie.
It also allows for some fleshing out of Beerus and Whis's character; in particular, Beerus being a petty god of destruction who murders billions on a whim comes off as an Informed Attribute when the only planet we see him flip out and kill everyone is Earth and he doesn't go through with it.
Lastly, it tells the story to people who've just come fresh off the show and don't watch the movies. It legitimizes Battle of Gods by making it an integral part of the story proper. This is especially important because it, like the Dragon Ball, Z, and GT animes, is a TV show: networks that air Dragon Ball animes may pick it up and run it without airing Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F beforehand.
As a fan of continuity in storytelling, I'm not generally one to make the argument that homework is bad, yo, but when that homework requires you to go to a different storytelling platform entirely, it becomes problematic. A movie shouldn't be required reading to enjoy a TV show, a TV show shouldn't be required reading to enjoy a comic book, and a comic shouldn't be required reading to enjoy a video game, because you can't find them in the same place and might not even know they exist.
edited 11th Aug '15 6:41:41 AM by TobiasDrake
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Basically for King Kai, being dead is like having a "kick me" sign permanently stapled to his back.
Besides, with the ease that the dragonballs are gathered, you would think they would have no problem bringing him back to life.
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