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JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#19601: Jun 22nd 2015 at 3:27:03 PM

[up][up][up]My money is on "slightly altered retell". At least it looks that way, since the only change seems to be the fact that Beerus didn't go to Kaioh's planet immediately.

I imagine that stuff will happen as it did in the movie, except Whis insists on visiting a few planets first. After they're done with it, Beerus goes "Now can we please check that Super Saiyan God thing?". This way, we can have glimpses of characters' lives on earth, while simultaneously showing scenes with Beerus and Whis being themselves, before they all meet.

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#19602: Jun 22nd 2015 at 3:28:44 PM

I'm still curious on how Goten and Trunks's little adventure ties into this. If we're really starting a recap of Bo G...what's with those scenes? They're clearly from the first few episodes.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19603: Jun 22nd 2015 at 5:37:08 PM

Here's a whole bunch of information that was revealed in an interview with Toriyama in the full-color volumes of the DB manga. I posted some of this already but there's a lot more than I thought there was so here goes. Some of you may know some of these already, of course.

  • Goku was 24 at the start of the "Z" portion of the story.
  • Goku's tail was permanently removed, by Kami, offscreen when Goku was 15.
  • Despite Nappa being stronger than Raditz, they're actually of the same rank in the PTO, and both report directly to Vegeta.
  • Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz's power levels were 18,000, 4000, and 1500 respectively during the Saiyan Saga.
  • The maximum power level a scouter can measure is around 22,000, or in Zarbon and Dodoria's ballpark.
  • Saiyan spaceships are "cramped, but easy on the body." The Saiyan inside is actually asleep until they reach their destination.
  • Toriyama gets asked what, exactly, Mr. Popo is. He dodges the question, saying he's simply Kami's attendant and a martial arts master.
  • King Kai's planet used to be 100 times as large, but Beerus destroyed it because King Kai beat him at video games. King Kai fashioned one of the chunks into a new planet.
  • Goku's hair was based on Astro Boy's.
  • Toriyama had Goku lose his tail because it was a pain to draw.
  • Future Gohan lost an arm to the Androids before he trained Trunks.
  • Dr. Gero was one of the founders of the Red Ribbon Army, and supplied not just Androids but all the tech. He was something of a "power behind the throne" to Commander Red.
  • Lapis and Lazuli bumped into Gero by pure chance, so he kidnapped them to use as test subjects.
  • Androids 1-7 and 9-12 were entirely artificial. Their personality matrices all had bugs.
  • Goku trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber offscreen before the 23rd Tournament, which is how he knew about it. This is apparently where he got taller...
  • Android 16 was modeled after Gero's late son, whom he still loved. To make sure he would never be destroyed Gero made him the strongest, but gentlest of his creations.
  • #19 was modeled after a doll that Gero took as a spoil of war from the house of an enemy of Red Ribbon.
  • Toriyama's favorite Android is... Semi-Perfect Cell!
  • King Furry is a good ruler, despite being a dog.
  • Mr. Satan was already very rich by the point of the Cell Games.
  • 17 has visited his sister and brother-in-law, but he neglected to mention he's now a park ranger because he didn't want his sister to think he'd gone soft.
  • The designs of the Budokai stadium were based on Balinese architecture.
  • Toriyama's favorite fight in the series is, of all things, Goku vs. Tien.
  • Anyone can fuse, as long as their size and power is about the same. It's hard to master, though.
  • Toriyama has practiced the Fusion Dance himself.
  • All of Babidi's tech was magically created by him. He recruits followers by summoning those with evil hearts to him.
  • Babidi was "born" by Bibidi dividing himself in two, with each side gaining half the original's magic power. When Supreme Kai killed Bibidi, Babidi got it all.
  • Most of the citizens of the Demon Realm are evil sorcerers seeking refuge there.
  • The scene where 17 gives his energy to Goku was originally going to be Launch.
  • Kais (or rather, Shin-jins) have a life expectancy of around 75,000 years and there are around 80 of them at a time. The tree they're born from is in a place called "Core Planet."

edited 22nd Jun '15 5:49:48 PM by HamburgerTime

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#19604: Jun 22nd 2015 at 5:41:16 PM

So I guess that scene with Kid Goku in the HTC from the anime is canon now?

edited 22nd Jun '15 5:41:32 PM by SonOfSharknado

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#19605: Jun 22nd 2015 at 5:41:36 PM

Some of that we knew, some of it was new.....for me at least.

So if the earlier Androids were all purely mechanical, but 8, 16, 17, 18, and 19 were all actually cyborgs (though 19 was still more mechanical than that), then I suppose Gero believed that those models were the strongest.

Though it seems his androids have bugs no matter what.

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#19606: Jun 22nd 2015 at 5:41:57 PM

Didn't know about the Astro Boy thing.

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#19607: Jun 22nd 2015 at 5:45:47 PM

I guess TFS had the right idea with their characterization of 16. A really nice guy, who just really wants to murder Son Goku.

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#19608: Jun 22nd 2015 at 5:58:07 PM

The Kanzenshuu podcast brought up an interesting idea about Champa: what if he was a previous God of Destruction in this universe? Whis offers Goku the role of God of Destruction once Beerus dies, hinting that there are predecessors and successors. Champa might have been a predecessor who retired instead of dying, or maybe he faked his own death, or SOMETHING.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19609: Jun 22nd 2015 at 6:44:57 PM

Or maybe he just said "I don't wanna be God of Destruction anymore. Whis, find someone else", and we know how accomodating Whis is.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19610: Jun 22nd 2015 at 6:45:32 PM

That wouldn't explain Champa having a Whis-like being of his own, though.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#19611: Jun 22nd 2015 at 6:47:30 PM

What about the female Whis?

Anyway.

...Didn't Frieza say his second form was measured at 1 million? and Frieza's first form had the "530,000" line.

I got the distinct impression that Scouters can measure as high a power level as you want as long as it doesn't start rising really quickly.

Everyone in space was confused by the idea that power levels could be hidden or suddenly increase.

Also, the fact that Toriyama said 9-12 and not 9-15 makes me think he counts that movie.

Which I think is interesting.

edited 22nd Jun '15 6:55:24 PM by unnoun

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#19612: Jun 22nd 2015 at 6:48:48 PM

[up] Every statement you made is true. I think 100% Power Final Form Freeza is 100 million while SSJ Goku is 120 million.

edited 22nd Jun '15 6:49:23 PM by Zelenal

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19613: Jun 22nd 2015 at 6:49:53 PM

[up][up] The Scouters Nappa and Vegeta had could measure up to 22,000, but new models are apparently always being developed. Though that still doesn't explain how Frieza knew his beforehand I guess.

[up] Close. 100% Frieza is 120 mil, SS Goku is 150 mil. So there's a pretty big gap between them. Supposedly, any scene in that fight where Frieza seems to be winning is filler.

edited 22nd Jun '15 6:51:10 PM by HamburgerTime

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#19614: Jun 22nd 2015 at 6:50:38 PM

There are presumably other ways to gauge powerlevel than just scouters. Anyone remember that scene in the anime when some doods at a lab somewhere are trying to gauge Goku and Freeza's powerlevels while they fought and everything went boom? They probably used that lab or something like it to gauge Freeza's powerlevel of 1,000,000.

And as for the female Whis... I dunno. It's a female Whis. It probably needs as much justification as Whis does.

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#19615: Jun 22nd 2015 at 6:50:51 PM

True, true.

It makes sense the scouters only blow up when the power levels start rising really quickly. After all, that seems to be an Earth-only ability. For the aliens, the only way to increase their power level was to transform.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#19616: Jun 22nd 2015 at 6:54:38 PM

The scouters only ever explode when someone's power level starts rising.

...And, hell, during the Ginyu fight Goku was measured at 180,000.

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#19617: Jun 22nd 2015 at 6:57:19 PM

Those were new models, though. And they didn't explode when Goku used the basic Kaioken, even though that instantly doubled his power.

edited 22nd Jun '15 6:57:34 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#19618: Jun 22nd 2015 at 7:02:17 PM

With regards to Androids 13 to 15, it was the questioner who specifically asked about 9 through 12. Doesn't necessarily mean Toriyama counts the movie, just that that person does.

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#19619: Jun 22nd 2015 at 7:15:08 PM

The scouters can measure up to whatever number. The problem is when power levels are rising too quickly and making the scouters overclock, which makes them explode.

Toriyama also corroborated this.

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#19620: Jun 22nd 2015 at 8:28:39 PM

Another Daizenshuu 7 tidbit, relating to the filler scenes in Hell with Frieza, Cold, Cell, and the Ginyus doing stuff down there. Cell's entry states that it's actually him, not Frieza, who's the leader of that posse.

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#19621: Jun 22nd 2015 at 8:38:05 PM

Well...duh. Cell is like, a jillion times stronger than all of them put together.

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#19622: Jun 22nd 2015 at 8:59:43 PM

So much so that he could probably kill them by glaring at them too hard.

Hey, he has the abilities of the people whose Cells he has, and Piccolo had eyebeams.

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#19623: Jun 22nd 2015 at 9:04:22 PM

Plus, the dub at least referred to them as "Cell's gang" so...

Edit: Frieza also has eyebeams.

edited 22nd Jun '15 9:39:47 PM by LSBK

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#19624: Jun 22nd 2015 at 9:23:12 PM

Cell's the one effectively leading the charge and the one who takes initiative to fighting Goku. Its pretty fucking obvious he was the leader.

Frieza didn't really...do anything.

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#19625: Jun 22nd 2015 at 9:26:56 PM

He got his ass kicked. That's doing something isn't it?tongue

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