If only DB Minus could be actual reboot of some kind, updated origin, minor revisions like the Androids' purpose. So long as the name doesn't turn it into a comedy spin-off, I'd watch it.
I suppose that's what Kai is for though.
Hold up, what.
edited 19th Jun '15 7:20:59 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!You guys should read Jaco, it's great. I mean, I mainly got it so I could understand who he was for the new movie, but it was really enjoyable.
It's at the end of the story. Tights is asking about Jaco's 'suit', when Jaco replies that it's his skin. Tights then realises, horrified, that Jaco has been naked this entire time. Then she looks down and asks "how do you pee?". It turns out Jaco pees through little holes in his head, and it lands on Tights.
...so yeah.
It's still great, though. And, surprisingly, that was the only instance of toilet humour in the entire manga. I think.
edited 19th Jun '15 7:23:39 PM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!So I've been pondering the ins and outs of Frieza lately, and I have no idea why. In particular I had this thought about him. And yes I know this is a very dead pteranodon I'm flogging here.
Since we know SS Goku and SS Trunks were of similar strength when they fought and defeated Frieza, is it possible Vegeta was simply Vegeta-ing when he said his Super form was stronger than Goku's? If so, this wouldn't necessarily require 17 and 18 to be that far above Frieza. Well, relatively speaking; there's still a big honking thirty-million gap in there, which, for reference, is several times larger than the gap between first-form Frieza and farmer-with-a-shotgun.
16, though, he'd still be far stronger.
Another fun Frieza tidbit: according to Daizenshuu 2, Toriyama created him in a time of economic downturn for Japan, and the character was based on the various greedy people, especially land speculators, who took advantage of that to get richer.
In other words, Frieza is a satire of the 1%. #OccupyNamek
edited 19th Jun '15 10:07:01 PM by HamburgerTime
Even though he has taken every opportunity given to him to complain about editorial pressure? There's no way for us to know for sure, but it just doesn't add up with anything we've actually seen.
Because that was also a load of shit and one of the weaker parts of the series.
It is makes Freeza a complete moron, because he knew he could do that all along and never did it. Afraid of a possible Super Saiyan / Saiyan uprising? "Well I already KNOW I can make myself stronger than that, but I won't".
"Got beaten by a Super Saiyan? Well I have time to train, but I won't, I'm sure these robotic parts that barely upgraded me will be enough."
I could honestly point out more, but the main thing is that it doesn't do the idea justice to compare it to an Ass Pull from the original series. New content shouldn't try to ape the previous works' flaws.
No we didn't, the movie skips the whole thing. Unless you meant Goku and his space training.
[[citation needed]] - as it stands that is an unsubstantiated rumor.
He's more of a tumor on the franchise than anything else. And no, we'd have a plot without him - Goku would be sent to Earth, do pre-Z stuff, and either be forgotten or visited by the Saiyans. Some things would happen differently from that point, but Freeza's influence is no different than anyone else.
Freeza really was just another villain, the fact that so many can't move past him is really bad for this franchise.
I think the people who thought it should have ended after Freeza gave too much credit to the Z-era as a separate series. If you see it at starting from Z, it makes sense to end it there. But if you see it starting from Dragon Ball...well, that series had plenty of times where it could have been over, that Goku was the strongest...only to be proven wrong at the next arc. Z wasn't just about Goku discovering his heritage - it was about Goku becoming stronger. The whole Super Saiyan thing was just a part of that.
edited 20th Jun '15 5:28:42 AM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!It seems like bringing back older characters always leads to Broken Base no matter what :V
In any case, I wouldn't call Freeza the villain, but at the same time he's very closely tied to the main character's backstory and responsible for one of its most iconic moments. I really don't think its that surprising that people associate Frieza so much with the franchise.
As for the whole "training for months thing"....shrug, yea its dumb but its clearly just there as an excuse just so we can watch Goku & Frieza fight again. I'm probably still going to enjoy Revival Of F on that basis alone because I am a simple person with simple interests :P
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
I dunno, it worked well for Piccolo Jr.
Freeza is definitely one of the series most memorable villains, but far from the only one. I'd be okay with his return if he had decided to undergo some ancient yet dangerous ritual of his clan, or something like that (I do like the idea of training near a black hole), but "Let's train for 4 months" is just lazy writing (and raises so many more questions: how would Freeza know how strong he ought to become, and if he had barely trained before, how did he know 4 months would be enough?).
The out of universe answer is: just what you said. Lazy writing.
In-universe, the answer would be: He didn't. That's just how long he decided to train.
Frieza is arrogant and short sighted to the extreme. I believe it's stated he loses because he made the exact same mistake he did on Namek. Namely that his body couldn't handle his new power. He trained, actually got stronger, than because he was too cocky and impatient for revenge, rushed in to fight without considering that he could still overtax his body.
Four months was enough to get stronger. He needed more time to master that power. But when you've been the top of the food chain for years, you tend to not realize these things.
It's still stupid though.
One Strip! One Strip!So here's an interesting tidbit. You know the big giant character guide in Daizenshuu 7? It has no entry for General White. He's pretty much the only semi-relevant character to lack one, which is even weirder because everyone else from the Muscle Tower mini-arc has an entry.
Keep in mind this guide includes such illustrious personages as "Guy Blue kills for picking his nose," "Dolphin that gives directions to Roshi's house," and "Cops whose car the Androids wreck."
It's a bit of a shame none of the Red Ribbon Army officers were Androids. I think I enjoyed 17 and 18 more, but, now that I think about it, that was a missed opportunity.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Major Metallitron says "Hi."
edited 20th Jun '15 3:42:44 PM by Zelenal
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