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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19401: Jun 19th 2015 at 3:57:25 PM

So why does everyone harp on Frieza becoming stronger than Buu in four months? Goku got something like 375 times stronger in the space of a few days during the Saiyan and Namek sagas. The multiply that by fifty for Super Saiyan.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#19402: Jun 19th 2015 at 3:57:35 PM

So, do you think Champ will be like Beerus or would he be the complete opposite?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19403: Jun 19th 2015 at 4:00:15 PM

[up][up]Because most of Goku's strength came from abusing a hilariously broken racial trait and pushing himself to a ridiculous degree.

Freeza just... sort of trained.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#19404: Jun 19th 2015 at 4:06:36 PM

We even got a training montage from it.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#19405: Jun 19th 2015 at 4:11:56 PM

Frieza is at least a mutant and a prodigy. Those two things in fiction can do anything.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#19406: Jun 19th 2015 at 4:17:34 PM

And one of the guidebooks did say that Freeza never trained before that his potential is limitless.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#19407: Jun 19th 2015 at 4:43:42 PM

Outside of feeling that Freeza coming back as a Big Bad is dumb in and of itself, the fact that he did so by training for 4 months is so hilariously dumb to me that I can't help by smile at it anymore.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19408: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:01:17 PM

I don't find it dumb. He is the villain of the franchise after all.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#19409: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:04:17 PM

Wait a minute, you can just grab the Dragon Balls before they disperse?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#19410: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:04:39 PM

I wish I could be as generous as you are to it, but that's just not something I can do.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#19411: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:07:17 PM

[up][up]Yes, Goku did it once so he wouldn't have to search for the four star ball again.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#19412: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:08:00 PM

So... what's stopping the cast from just throwing a weighted net over the Dragon Balls before they disperse so they won't have to hunt for them again when they need them?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#19413: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:09:05 PM

Since there's a year long cooldown period, there's no rush to search for the balls until they can be used.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#19414: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:09:41 PM

Why bother? It's not like it even a hassle to round them up anymore. And as far as they know the last time they use them is really the last time.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19415: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:10:13 PM

They also have the Dragon Radar and the ability to traverse the world within a few moments.

They don't need to grab the Dragon Balls before they disperse.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#19416: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:12:18 PM

It's better to have and not need than need and not have. While gathering the Dragon Balls is child's play (literally) by the time Z rolls around, it'd still save time to have them all on hand and somewhere safe. Like Kami's Lookout. And hunting down the Dragon Balls was a fair bit of a chore in the beginning.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#19417: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:15:07 PM

"I AM THE ETERNAL DRAGON. STATE YOUR WI- why is there a net over the balls? Really, guys? Really?"

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#19418: Jun 19th 2015 at 6:35:31 PM

Didn't Bulma have a Dragonball as a party prize in BOG?

Hell, Goku and Chi-Chi turned the 4th ball into a hat ornament.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19419: Jun 19th 2015 at 6:35:51 PM

And when I say Frieza is the villain, I mean he's the guy we wouldn't have a plot without. Literally everything was caused by him blowing up Planet Vegeta. He's my favorite of the three major villains due to this, although Buu is a close second and I also like the Androids bar 19.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#19420: Jun 19th 2015 at 6:49:13 PM

[up][up] She had all seven as the grand prize for

edited 19th Jun '15 6:50:03 PM by Zelenal

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#19421: Jun 19th 2015 at 6:51:36 PM

So, I recently bought Jaco the Galactic Patrolman. It was great. Classic Toriyama, pure and simple. But I also really enjoyed Dragon Ball Minus. It seems to be a bit of a controversial subject amongst the fandom, with people saying they prefer the old origin story, and this one just makes Goku a Superman Expy.

...but I really liked it.

There were a bunch of things that made a lot more sense than what was originally implied, like Goku going to Earth when he was 3, and Vegeta surviving because he didn't want to listen to Freeza's orders. And the stuff in Jaco also really helped with the new origin story. Sure, Goku was sent to Earth because Bardock had a hunch that something bad was going to happen, but he wouldn't have survived if Tights hadn't pushed Jaco off a cliff after he peed on her.

So that makes two sisters who saved the universe entirely by accident.

edited 19th Jun '15 6:52:08 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#19422: Jun 19th 2015 at 7:07:16 PM

It seems to be a bit of a controversial subject amongst the fandom, with people saying they prefer the old origin story

I've only read the plot summary around the time it came out, but I remember not being crazy about the revisions - it's a "fixed what wasn't broken" situation for me.

just makes Goku a Superman Expy
.

He... was already a Superman expy in the original, moreso even. The only change I understand is that Goku is 3, and can walk, and had some idea about what he was doing when he arrived on Earth.

There were a bunch of things that made a lot more sense than what was originally implied, like Goku going to Earth when he was 3, and Vegeta surviving because he didn't want to listen to Freeza's orders

I always found it particularly menacing that Saiyan infants were predicted to be capable of surviving on a low-ranked world and would destroy or conquer the planet at some later, yet still young age. I suppose Minus's version does make more sense.

I don't really care for Bardock and Gine. The image of Saiyans being bloodthirsty warriors, and Bardock being that one in a million who gained some empathy worked just fine, even presented some tragedy in Father of Goku when he actually saw who Goku would become.

What else happened with Tights apparently "saving the universe"? How did she do this, she pushed Jaco off a cliff and...?

edited 19th Jun '15 7:12:23 PM by Soble

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19423: Jun 19th 2015 at 7:10:23 PM

I dislike the revised origin story on the basis that yeah, I liked the whole "Saiyans send infants to murderize planets because Saiyans are that badass" and I like Bardock as he was in the Father of Goku special more than I do as he was in Minus. In the special, he was frikkin' evil.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#19424: Jun 19th 2015 at 7:10:45 PM

Jaco was watching the skies, waiting for Goku's space pod to land. Then he pees on Tights, and, furious, she pushes him off the cliff and into the sea. While he's in the water, Goku's space pod lands, and Jaco misses it. Once he gets up, he continues watching, and assumes Goku's pod just never arrived.

The way it's worded, it's implied that infants still go and murder planets. Bardock and Gine just send Goku without official authorisation.

edited 19th Jun '15 7:12:42 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#19425: Jun 19th 2015 at 7:12:58 PM

I frankly don't care for Minus Bardock and Gine.


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