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#19151: Jun 16th 2015 at 11:38:09 PM

WAIT. IS NEKO MAJIN THE SAME RACE AS BEERUS????

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#19152: Jun 17th 2015 at 12:26:59 AM

It was probably Multiverse, where Bra was Vegetto's kid and as such basically more broken than Ultimate Gohan on steroids.

Incidentally, any kid of Vegetto's would most likely put Beerus to shame if he or she got their potential unlocked.

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#19153: Jun 17th 2015 at 12:37:57 AM

Oh, random thought: How can Piccolo pop his neck? He has no bones, right?

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#19154: Jun 17th 2015 at 12:53:35 AM

He has to have some equivalent or he really would look like a slug.

He is a magical space slug, I doubt he'd make much sense to us from a biological standpoint.

Also the Namekians survive on water, but they live in a planet with three suns that would probably dry them very, very quickly.

edited 17th Jun '15 12:54:18 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#19155: Jun 17th 2015 at 2:30:48 AM

Huh. According to the wiki (which i know is infamously inaccurate) Yamcha is stronger than first form Frieza. Is this true?

edited 17th Jun '15 2:31:10 AM by 32ndfreeze

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#19156: Jun 17th 2015 at 2:42:56 AM

Goten and Trunks are stronger than 18 individually, most likely stronger than Piccolo as well.

Don't just assume they're around the 530k mark from that special, they are shown in the manga to be plainly above 18. She shits herself at Trunks suppressed power, and Goten freaks out about how Trunks might kill her. They are also aware of how strong 18 is.

Training as a Super Saiyan is less effective.

Increases in base are easier to come by and worth 50x as much.

Okay not to be rude but where did you get this idea from? That is the COMPLETE opposite of the truth. Training as a Super Saiyan, against another Super Saiyan, is the most effective training method. Goku explains this when training Gohan.

And that's why Goten and Trunks are so strong. Because they're been Super Saiyans for a long time, and always fought each other.

The two are Super Saiyan Full Power, and Goten is able to spar evenly with Gohan. Trunks landed a hit on Vegeta, who reflexively punched Trunks without hurting him that badly. Their power is so high, Piccolo is freaked out by it. He also thinks the boys were the last hope against Majin Boo BEFORE he learns of fusion.

So yeah, they're stronger than Android arc Vegeta who hadn't mastered the form. Explicitly stronger than 18, almost certainly stronger than Piccolo. Like it or not, it is what it is.

[up] No.

edited 17th Jun '15 2:44:44 AM by Saiga

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#19157: Jun 17th 2015 at 4:35:39 AM

[up][up] What do you think :V

Before you answer, remember that Krillin at this powerful by the end of the series is nowhere near first form Frieza.

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#19158: Jun 17th 2015 at 7:12:16 AM

Huh. According to the wiki (which i know is infamously inaccurate) Yamcha is stronger than first form Frieza. Is this true?

The Wiki bases that on speculation. The last time any of the non-Krillin humans are given an accurate power-level is during the Saiyan Saga. They most likely did get some form of power boost by training with King Kai. Of course, by that point the Power Creep in the series went into full force, so however strong they did get was pointless.

edited 17th Jun '15 7:16:13 AM by Lionheart0

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#19159: Jun 17th 2015 at 7:51:26 AM

Okay not to be rude but where did you get this idea from? That is the COMPLETE opposite of the truth. Training as a Super Saiyan, against another Super Saiyan, is the most effective training method. Goku explains this when training Gohan.

When? We hardly see him training Gohan at all and, when we do, he's perfecting the Super Saiyan form rather than raising battle power. He obviously raised both his and Gohan's battle power but he did it offscreen and never talked about it. We actually see only three things from Gohan's training: Goku helping Gohan to become a Super Saiyan, Goku telling Gohan they're going to stay Super Saiyan as often as possible in order to minimize the drawbacks of the form, and Gohan training on his own while Goku meditates to achieve Grade II and Grade III.

And that's why Goten and Trunks are so strong. Because they're been Super Saiyans for a long time, and always fought each other.

The two are Super Saiyan Full Power, and Goten is able to spar evenly with Gohan. Trunks landed a hit on Vegeta, who reflexively punched Trunks without hurting him that badly. Their power is so high, Piccolo is freaked out by it. He also thinks the boys were the last hope against Majin Boo BEFORE he learns of fusion.

So yeah, they're stronger than Android arc Vegeta who hadn't mastered the form. Explicitly stronger than 18, almost certainly stronger than Piccolo. Like it or not, it is what it is.

That's fair. I forget how powerful the boys are. When was it credited to training as Super Saiyans, though?

edited 17th Jun '15 7:52:30 AM by TobiasDrake

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#19160: Jun 17th 2015 at 9:44:50 AM

So the boys are, at least as Super Saiyans, stronger than base Goku? Interesting.

edited 17th Jun '15 9:45:03 AM by HamburgerTime

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#19161: Jun 17th 2015 at 10:06:55 AM

Given that Goku's base never went beyond Freeza's 120,000,000, all the boys need is a powerlevel of 2,400,000 to be stronger than him as Super Saiyans.

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#19162: Jun 17th 2015 at 10:11:27 AM

If nothing else, Goku is more surprised at how the two were able to become Super Saiyans so easily and he had to train Gohan to do that.

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#19163: Jun 17th 2015 at 10:14:34 AM

I can just imagine him, in his mind, thinking "Goddammit Gohan you suck".

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#19164: Jun 17th 2015 at 10:31:39 AM

....Wut, Gohan is still stronger than both of them because he can go Super Saiyan 2, something Goten or Trunks can't do period :V

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#19165: Jun 17th 2015 at 10:34:35 AM

I could reply with something that is subtly implying that you are dumb for not understanding the concept of a joke, but I won't, because that would be rude.

I will, however, take this moment to laugh for a bit and tell you that you failed at perceiving the joke in a hopefully non rude way.

You failed to perceive the joke, dood.

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#19166: Jun 17th 2015 at 10:36:38 AM

I know it was a joke, it just wasn't funny because it made no sense :P

edited 17th Jun '15 10:37:20 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#19167: Jun 17th 2015 at 10:48:41 AM

It made no sense to you because you didn't get it and apparently thought I meant that Gohan was weaker than Goten or Trunks, which wasn't what I was getting at.

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#19168: Jun 17th 2015 at 10:51:01 AM

What he was getting at was that Gohan had to go some some serious training in order to go Super Saiyan whereas Goten and Trunks just did it.

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#19169: Jun 17th 2015 at 10:57:48 AM

  • VEGETA: *smug* 100% of my children are Super Saiyan prodigies. I have a perfect record!
  • GOKU: That's not exactly fair. Besides, my other son is the most powerful warrior in the universe, so—
  • GOHAN: Not anymore, I'm not. I'm studying pediatrics, I got no time for those shenanigans!
  • GOKU: Dammit, Gohan!
  • VEGETA: Hah! Looks like you can't keep up with my perfect Saiyan gen—
  • BULMA: Great news! We're having another baby and it's a girl! I think I might raise her to be a scientist.
  • VEGETA: Dammit, woman!

edited 17th Jun '15 10:58:20 AM by TobiasDrake

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#19170: Jun 17th 2015 at 10:59:04 AM

And then Bulma was disappointed herself when Bra turned out to be boy crazy like her, but without the universe-breaking genius.

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#19171: Jun 17th 2015 at 11:55:37 AM

My bad, I thought creative was trying to imply Goten and Trunks were stronger than Gohan and liek "waaat"

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#19173: Jun 17th 2015 at 12:12:36 PM

Seems like unnoun got her wish.

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#19174: Jun 17th 2015 at 12:13:02 PM

What wish?

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#19175: Jun 17th 2015 at 12:14:24 PM

If I recall correctly, she's been wanting Super to basically be the Slice of Life filler episodes from Z. The first episode of Super is just that.

edited 17th Jun '15 12:14:35 PM by Zelenal

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