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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#19126: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:35:23 PM

Wait a minute.

How weak are Goten and Trunks even as Super Saiyans if they were having that much trouble with guys only as strong as first form (as in little troll dude) Frieza.

Wasn't he only around 530 000 or something?

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#19127: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:37:10 PM

[up] 530k, yeah.

Which isn't really weak, y'know.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#19128: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:39:01 PM

True, but I assumed a bare minimum for Super Saiyan even as a child is likely in the range of 1 million.

Or am I assuming a bit too much here?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#19129: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:39:44 PM

Base Goten and Trunks could beat Abo and Kabo, so they must be around 530,000 in base as well.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#19130: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:48:45 PM

Well, only after a little guidance from Gohan.

Now that I think about it, didn't Goten and Trunks mostly fight in Base, even as Gotenks? I'll have to look at that fight again I suppose.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19131: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:51:00 PM

We know that, as a fusion, they're stronger than Goku but in this series fusion has consistently been greater than the sum of its parts...

I very much doubt it's to that ridiculous of an extent that without it they're inferior to First Form Freeza...

Admittedly, the only other example of the Fusion Dance was done in a movie, in which Goku + Vegeta x 50 was far superior to Goku x 400.

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#19132: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:53:18 PM

Goten and Trunks fought Abo and Kabo in base the entire time.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#19133: Jun 16th 2015 at 9:22:43 PM

Are Abo and Kado considered allies now, since they seemed friendly at the end of the special chowing down on radishes.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19134: Jun 16th 2015 at 9:27:17 PM

DB Wikia insists two of the background henchmen who die in RoF are them, but that's DB Wikia.

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#19135: Jun 16th 2015 at 9:31:12 PM

Abo and Kado are said to be as strong as Frieza. You're interpreting it to be first form Frieza. They weren't giving Goten and Trunks any trouble until they fused.

Goten and Trunks are far stronger than Frieza since they were more powerful than 18.

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#19136: Jun 16th 2015 at 9:34:30 PM

[up] They were supposed to be better than 18? Holy Bejeezus. As if we needed any more proof that Saiyans are Just Plain Better...

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#19137: Jun 16th 2015 at 9:34:34 PM

Super Saiyan Trunks and Goten are stronger than 18.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19138: Jun 16th 2015 at 9:37:20 PM

Even that seems like a stretch to me but whatever.

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#19139: Jun 16th 2015 at 9:47:49 PM

Wait, when were they individually stronger than 18?

With a battle power of 530,000, they would be at 26,500,000 as Super Saiyans. Far short of even Frieza's 50%.

Conversely, if they are stronger in Base than Frieza's 100% Full Power, then they are more powerful than anything Goku ever achieved by the end of the series.

[up] It is a stretch. It means they're more powerful than Vegeta was during the Android Saga.

edited 16th Jun '15 9:49:00 PM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#19140: Jun 16th 2015 at 9:50:41 PM

I'd say they are stronger individually.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19141: Jun 16th 2015 at 9:53:40 PM

I dunno.

I don't think their fight at the World Tournament can be really counted. I don't recall how it went in the manga, which makes me think it might not actually have been shown in the manga, but in the anime, they weren't doing all that well against her, even as Super Saiyans.

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#19142: Jun 16th 2015 at 9:57:02 PM

It's the same in the manga. Though that may be down to the fact that they were crammed into the same costume.

And yeah, if base Goku never surpasses 100% Frieza, Goten and Trunks can't be anywhere near that ballpark.

And yes, this means base Goku is weaker than a girl which is pretty cool I guess.

edited 16th Jun '15 9:58:29 PM by HamburgerTime

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19143: Jun 16th 2015 at 10:03:20 PM

Point is, prior to their training to get Gotenks to SSJ 3, I'm fairly sure 18 would've kicked their asses, individually.

After, though, I do think they're probably stronger.

Hm...

If Training as a SSJ was more effective, would training as a fusion be even more effective?

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#19144: Jun 16th 2015 at 10:07:17 PM

Training as a Super Saiyan is less effective.

Increases in base are easier to come by and worth 50x as much.

edited 16th Jun '15 10:09:06 PM by TobiasDrake

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#19145: Jun 16th 2015 at 10:13:26 PM

Y'know what I'd like to see in DBS?

A race with even more ultimate hidden potential than the Saiyans.

I mean, it's a big universe and there's twelve more on top of that, surely there must be something out there.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19146: Jun 16th 2015 at 10:20:46 PM

How about...

Human/Saiyan hybrids?

Remember: Goku and Vegeta are the most broken saiyans in history. Gohan, Goten and Trunks are the only members of their race and they're all amazingly broken.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19148: Jun 16th 2015 at 10:32:50 PM

ALL OF THE CHEATING

Because that's what Saiyans do.

Anyway, the most broken race in Dragon Ball is the Whis race. They only have the one member, but he's stronger than everyone else combined. Probably.

Whis race for xenoverse 2 plox

Something I actually kinda want, even if I know how bad an idea it'd be:

A DBZ fighting game that accurately represents relative powerlevels. But just a mode, like Hell Or Hell mode in DMC, where you must go through the game as an extremely weak character to see how long you last and how well you do against those character's opponents. I want to have an excuse to say I beat Majin Buu with Krillin and make it actually an impressive feat.

edited 16th Jun '15 11:00:58 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#19149: Jun 16th 2015 at 11:31:06 PM

Ya know, since Cell has Saiyan and Changeling DNA, do you think he'd ever go Golden Perfect God Golden Perfect?

Also, here's Vegeta and some cats.

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#19150: Jun 16th 2015 at 11:35:57 PM

I dunno if it was from Dragonball Multiverse, or one of TFS's gaming videos, but it got me really interested in the idea of Bra as the strongest potential hybrid. I mean, it seems to be the case that the stronger your parents are, the stronger you are, and she was born quite late, to a much stronger Vegeta.

It would be even better if she kept her GT characterisation (somewhat). Like, she's a total girly-girl, but she has the potential to be stronger than everyone. If she wanted to. Which she doesn't, because she'd much rather try and organise her wardrobe.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!

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