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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#19101: Jun 15th 2015 at 3:07:20 PM

I'm honestly surprised they haven't introduced any original protagonists. It would be the easiest way to dump the characters they don't think are popular - just bring in new fighters who might sell more!

But I guess the nostalgic appeal is too much.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19102: Jun 15th 2015 at 5:14:15 PM

Wow, so I just discovered East/West Supreme Kai shipping art.

Is a thing.

That exists.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#19103: Jun 15th 2015 at 5:37:32 PM

There are 7 known members of that race, and only two are female (Elder Kai fused with a witch, so isn't he technically both?). One is SKOT, who came into the picture recently, the other is West.

The alternative is a semi and uke ship with East and South Kai.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19104: Jun 15th 2015 at 5:44:36 PM

Oh I'm not surprised by that, just that West is a very minor character so I was surprised anyone shipped her with anything.

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#19105: Jun 15th 2015 at 5:47:03 PM

See above. It's not about her, it's about having someone to ship East Kaioshin with. Either you go West or you go yaoi.

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#19106: Jun 15th 2015 at 5:47:26 PM

... who is Lazuli?

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#19107: Jun 15th 2015 at 5:52:16 PM

Androids 18's official name according to Toriyama.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19109: Jun 15th 2015 at 7:56:45 PM

Nope. She's Lazuli and her brother is Lapis.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19110: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:06:58 PM

Incidentally...

Why the hell do the Kai have genders if they're born from a tree? Sexual characteristics never come into play at all, so, why do they have genders?

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#19111: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:29:34 PM

You answered your own question. They don't need to reproduce, so their appearance doesn't at all matter or even need to make sense. They're outside of the rules of Biology.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#19114: Jun 16th 2015 at 6:37:06 AM

[up](x4)

A similar situation came up in Gargoyles, an old Saturday morning cartoon that was anything but. The main characters, a race of gargoyles, were questioned about their names, where they calmly replied that they had none, they only took on names to better interact with humans.

Anyway, Kais work similarly, I'd guess. Their society is so vague we never get much detail on it, but West Kai has girlish traits, so wa-la, we have gender. The SK's only appeared in flashbacks in the anime and barely spoke, so maybe they don't have gender, that's just the way the dubbing made it seem because of their voice-actors.

SKOT, however, she's an enigma, literally. We've no idea how or when she came to be in the Time Nest, she's just there. She never refers to any of the other Kais, and BOG seems to have overruled the previous Kai-Supreme Kai pantheon with Beerus and Whis (it's a bloody cycle really, since Supreme Kai did that to King Kai, and King Kai did that to Kami).

I guess she's a girl because it's cuter for the audience that way. Rule Of Cute.

It might even be a notch for DBZ on the Bechdel test, with a temperamental goddess in charge of time and space, thesibly the most important job in existence, even moreso than King Yemma or Supreme Kai's.

edited 16th Jun '15 6:42:36 AM by Soble

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#19115: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:00:07 PM

Ok, so looking at the Dragonball Super teaser I have to wonder are Goten and Trunks' age being retconned because why haven't their designs changed?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19116: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:03:03 PM

They're aging like Goku did. So they won't grow until they hit 18 or so, at which point they'll grow adult sized spontaneously.

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#19117: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:03:55 PM

[up]But Future Trunks aged like a normal human. And wasn't Gohan 16 during the Buu Saga and taller than Goku? tongue

edited 16th Jun '15 8:04:58 PM by Lionheart0

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#19118: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:13:51 PM

Trunks and Future Trunks actually have different genes but the same soul.

Reincarnated from Gero's son, because irony.

edited 16th Jun '15 8:15:01 PM by unnoun

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#19119: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:15:04 PM

"I am beginning to think this cartoon about karate aliens may not be medically accurate."

[lol]

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#19120: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:16:33 PM

How much time exactly has passed since:

  • Buu was defeated;

  • Tarble, Abo, and Cado showed up;

  • Beerus woke up;

  • And frieza returned to wreck shit?

Because if it's only been a little bit of time, that might explain their lack of changing.

Hell, Gohan's change from the original Saiyan saga to before he became Super Saiyan in the Cell saga wasn't that noticeable was it? At least outside of the muscle increase.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#19121: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:26:43 PM

Gohan's special. None of the others has his super Rage Powerups.

Future Trunks...

...

I got nothing.

Maybe it was the constant stress from living in a post apocalyptic world?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19122: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:28:57 PM

Speaking of Abo and Kado, they were supposedly as strong as the Ginyus to begin with. Which would put them above Dodoria and Zarbon.

Kinda odd we'd never heard of them before.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#19123: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:30:08 PM

I'm assuming they weren't that strong back during the days of Frieza's original reign.

It's possible for other characters to take a few levels given enough time.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#19124: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:32:40 PM

[up] IIRC they started as strong as the Ginyus, then became as strong as first-form Frieza by the time of the special.

Further complicating matters is the only official strength level given for any of the Ginyus is the Captain at 120k. We know Guldo was far weaker than the rest, and the other three were all around the same power. Semi-official sources put Guldo at 18k and the rest at around 60k.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#19125: Jun 16th 2015 at 8:35:00 PM

The rest couldn't be around 60k because Ginyu estimated that was Goku's real power and Jeice said they never stood a chance if that was true.


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