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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18926: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:20:50 PM

By the time they reached Frieza, Krillin was at 75000.

Apparently there's a thing where Gohan and Krillin's powerlevels were increasing continuously after Guru unlocked their potential.

...And also training gave them better gains than it did beforehand.

Side-note, Elder Kai says to keep training and get even stronger after he unlocks your potential in Xenoverse. So it's actually a thing.

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#18927: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:22:56 PM

And speaking about that how do you get the mofo to spawn? 'Cause he hasn't for me. Not even once.

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#18928: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:23:14 PM

Of course it's a thing in Xenoverse. Gotta keep players on that XP treadmill.

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#18930: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:37:45 PM

Is that a requirement?

Because I had Goku show up well before I was level 70.

He wouldn't train me, but he showed up.

edited 12th Jun '15 2:38:08 PM by Enlong

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#18931: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:39:31 PM

That's what makes sense to you, but not necessarily what makes sense in Dragonball. Do note that toriyama says pretty much every Saiyan is a low-class warrior, save 10 mid-classes and 2 elites.

To justify your argument, you're introducing elements into the series that are just not there. The ranks we were given are low, elite and S. elite, then Toriyama, decades later, gives the same ranking scheme, but uses different terms that ultimately mean the same thing.

If you're going to conflate Toriyama's mid-class rank with the manga's elite rank, then remind me where in the manga it is stated that only 10 elites existed before Frieza blew up the planet.

At no point is a complete listing of all Saiyan hierarchies provided in the manga, and Toriyama hasn't exactly had a spotless record when it comes to recalling details. Vegeta points out that he's a super-elite, Nappa's an elite, and Goku is garbage. There could be anywhere between zero and a million ranks between Goku and Nappa that wouldn't come up because there isn't a living Saiyan to make them relevant to the conversation Vegeta is having.

edited 12th Jun '15 2:42:07 PM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18932: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:43:40 PM

So what happens when Capsule Corp. hosts or has to go to an extremely prestigious conference with other technology corporations, scientists, or extremely wealthy high-society people, and Bulma brings Vegeta as her plus-one?

...Wait, I think there might be a plot hole.

Because Mr. Satan doesn't seem to know Bulma and Vegeta. And all rich people know each other. Or at least pretend to be polite for hours at a time.

Hell, Vegeta was actually at the Cell Games and he wasn't even transformed for most of it.

And it would be hilarious if Vegeta was at a function in a suit and he and Mr. Satan just sort of stared at each other.

I can actually imagine Vegeta thriving at high society gatherings, specifically because. He's a prince. Posturing is basically what he's best at already.

...And, well. He cares about Bulma and their family.

And his Gravity Chamber being fixed.

edited 12th Jun '15 2:53:35 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#18933: Jun 12th 2015 at 3:28:29 PM

The character I'm trying to get to 99 at the moment, Gin the disciple of Beerus who in turn is the disciple of Whis (seriously oughta get me Beerus' clothing to make the character complete), is level 87. I've gone from level 85 to 87 repeating Saiyan Revolt (still need Vegetto's pants to complete the set) and he has not showed up once.

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Cag Since: Sep, 2010
#18934: Jun 12th 2015 at 3:43:36 PM

At least in the PC version, you don't need to be level 80 for Elder Kaioshin to show up, you need it to be accepted by him. I saw him appear in my friend's game, and he just started playing.

The RNG seems to be rigged in a way that makes items you don't have rarer. I've got Vegetto's shirt, pants and gloves 5+ times, but the boots just refuse to drop.

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#18935: Jun 12th 2015 at 4:25:41 PM

The RNG seems programmed to be as annoying as possible.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18936: Jun 12th 2015 at 5:17:22 PM

...On the other hand.

Hmm.

...There's really a lot we don't know about Vegeta.

We don't see him in most situations that aren't fighting.

Like, we see what Goku does in a lot of different social situations. We see how Gohan interacts with a lot of different people.

But we don't see the same with Vegeta.

And it can't be that he literally trains all the time he's with Bulma, because the manga seemed to indicate that, immediately after Cell, he just stopped training altogether. Goku was dead, and Vegeta didn't see the point.

He definitely started up again when he heard Goku was coming back. And he started training Trunks more seriously around when that happened to.

I like to think that he liked Dr. Briefs and Mrs. Briefs, but I know for a fact that neither of them was scared of him. They weren't scared of Majin Buu, there's no way they would have found the short loser that couldn't even change a diaper at first the least bit threatening.

Trunks wasn't scared of Vegeta either. Goten wasn't really scared of him.

It seems like Vegeta doesn't train Trunks very much, didn't know he could turn Super Saiyan. He didn't seem to have hit Trunks very often. The one time he did he seemed both surprised and almost a bit guilty. And he still didn't hit him that hard, because of how Trunks immediately cheered up about going to the park.

...When he first gets to Earth after Frieza, he's a bit surprised by just how forward and flirtatious Bulma was at the time. Calls her "vulgar" I believe.

...I'm also pretty sure he was blushing just a little bit.

...As for how he'd do at fancy parties.

I could imagine Bulma bringing him to scare people. I think she would if she felt she could get away with it.

I could imagine him aiming to please in that regard, or acting on his best behavior out of spite.

Or just head straight to the table with the food and ignore everyone until it was time to leave. Which is more like Goku, admittedly. If Bulma pointed that out it'd make him mad.

I could imagine him doing basically anything Bulma asked if she implied or betted he couldn't, or, worse, implied Goku used to be able to do it better. Whether or not that was actually true.

...Dammit, I want Toriyama to write more about how the hell Vegeta functions outside the context we see him in.

The fact that Vegeta learned about bargain sales by watching television raises so many questions. Like, what does he watch? News? Infomercials? Anime? Soap operas?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#18937: Jun 12th 2015 at 5:20:39 PM

But Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 2 in the time between the Cell Games and the Buu Saga. I don't recall how long they knew Goku would get that day but I can't image it was enough time for Vegeta to get to that level.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18938: Jun 12th 2015 at 5:23:22 PM

I think he trained a little bit, every so often, but.

For the most part, it seems like Goku's death killed off a lot of his drive.

At least, that's what he said, and that's what it seemed like right after Cell.

He even vows that with Goku gone, he has no reason to fight anymore.

If the promises of a Saiyan prince aren't worth anything.

Well, they probably aren't, but it doesn't say much about his pride or honor.

He didn't do absolutely nothing, because that's what he accuses Gohan of doing.

But I really don't think he pushed himself to the limit very much, and he probably took time off.

Unless Bulma tricked him into training more because she was sick of his moping.

Fear.

edited 12th Jun '15 5:58:33 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#18939: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:07:07 PM

In more important news, I finally, finally got that mofo's pants. Took them right out of his mothereffing corpse. Now, just gotta run into the Supreme Kai.

You know, even when finding Beerus took forever, I did eventually find him. I think I only made one level on the Great Ape Festival, from 83 to 84, before I met up with Beerus for training. I am seriously getting close to a third of the way through level 88, and I still haven't found the Elder Supreme Kai. It's fucking bullshit. And the worst part is, from what I've heard he can increase drop rates or something like that, which would've made my life so much easier just a minute ago.

Also as a note, I haven't seen Jaco either.

And yes, I'm sure I've got the DLC - I was using SSGSS Goku and Vegeta as partners.

edited 12th Jun '15 6:09:32 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#18940: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:17:10 PM

Something I've been pondering recently. What if Semi-Perfect Cell had used the Kaio Ken when fighting Super Vegeta?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#18941: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:18:21 PM

He would have probably liquified his body or something like that.

Alternatively...

... Who says he didn't try it?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#18942: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:20:10 PM

Considering nothing about how Cell works actually makes sense I'm going to wager he can't use that technique because they got Goku' DNA from before he learned it.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#18943: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:21:55 PM

Did they? I mean, I'm pretty sure Cell mentioned he could do a Spirit Bomb. Maybe that was in the dub.

Good points though.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18944: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:26:53 PM

Maybe Cell just sorta forgot he could.

Goku forgets he can teleport half the time.

edited 12th Jun '15 6:27:14 PM by unnoun

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#18945: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:31:16 PM

No, Goku's cells come from the battle with Vegeta.

But given Cell was Super Saiyan traits in his aura and ability to bulk up, I say he's permanently in a quasi-Super Saiyan state so he doesn't use Kaio-ken.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18946: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:32:44 PM

If he did use it, the strain would probably almost kill him.

And then he could regenerate and Zenkai from it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#18947: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:34:37 PM

He never got a zenkai from being blasted in half, I don't think that'd do it unless he literally exploded to his nucleus from it.

Seems super risky either way.

edited 12th Jun '15 6:34:46 PM by Saiga

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18948: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:43:04 PM

He's part Vegeta and Goku.

The main reason that Androids 17 and 18 exist is because taking stupid risks is literally part of their DNA.

Bulma's plan was to murder an old man in a cave the mountains. Much safer.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#18949: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:46:04 PM

I'm not saying he wouldn't do it, I'm just saying it's probably not going to end well. So not something that can be abused for fun and profit.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18950: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:49:41 PM

...I wonder if 18 would be upset if she heard about that.

I don't know when exactly she and her brother got kidnapped, but.

I feel like if they weren't experimented on already when Trunks came back. Then they could have been spared a lot of grief and pain.

Because Goku and Vegeta wanted to punch things.


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