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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#18901: Jun 12th 2015 at 9:57:28 AM

[up][up]No, the ranks are literally the same. Toriyama just used different terminology.

[up]Pan is older than Bra.

edited 12th Jun '15 9:58:27 AM by Cruherrx

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18902: Jun 12th 2015 at 10:00:48 AM

The fact that Toriyama describes moving up in rank as a promotion makes it seem like it's an official thing for the Saiyans as a people.

And the ten strongest below the royal family would have included Goku and Raditz if there was only four left.

And Vegeta naturally would have felt he could do whatever he wanted.

EDIT: Dammit, I can't remember what I was going to say.

edited 12th Jun '15 10:03:21 AM by unnoun

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#18903: Jun 12th 2015 at 10:12:32 AM

Maybe Vegeta promoted Nappa and gave himself an even higher ranking afterwards? I mean, with his father dead, he's technically the ruler of all Saiyans, so he can do whatever he wants.

That's possible, especially given how much distance exists between Nappa and Vegeta's battle powers. Vegeta could easily have invented the super-elite rank for himself, then given Nappa the elite title because there were no other Saiyans left to outrank him.

edited 12th Jun '15 10:13:02 AM by TobiasDrake

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#18904: Jun 12th 2015 at 10:38:26 AM

I really like just how nice Beerus is in Xenoverse.

He's ultimately just a big lovable cute kitty.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#18905: Jun 12th 2015 at 10:40:41 AM

Beerus seems genuinelly disappointed when you get a B.

He's all like "I was really looking forward to this you know?" and I can just imagine him pouting.

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#18906: Jun 12th 2015 at 12:18:05 PM

I quit. Its like nobody reads. There is no middle rank in the manga. You're either a low class or you're an elite or super elite. In the interview, Toriyama refers to low class, mid-class (elites) and elites (super elites). It's that simple.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18907: Jun 12th 2015 at 12:31:07 PM

We read what you said.

I just don't think any of us cares, because our way is more interesting.

You aren't Toriyama, so your interpretation of what he meant is just as much of a guess as ours.

edited 12th Jun '15 12:32:23 PM by unnoun

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#18908: Jun 12th 2015 at 12:36:59 PM

The fact that, of the four who escaped the genocide, none was a mid-class Saiyan does not mean that such a rank doesn't exist.

A rank escalation like low-class, elite, and super-elite is clearly missing a stage or two. It's like offering serving sizes of Small, Extra Large, and Jumbo.

edited 12th Jun '15 12:37:53 PM by TobiasDrake

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#18910: Jun 12th 2015 at 12:59:49 PM

Finally earned my Xenoverse platinum trophy.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18911: Jun 12th 2015 at 1:18:55 PM

So Krillin, Tien, Yamcha and Yajirobe got a lot stronger after training with Kami then Goku did after training with Kami.

The average power level of humans is pretty low, but most humans don't know about ki, and most people don't train as much as our cast members do.

So. I am kinda curious about what the upper limit actually is.

I don't get the impression that there's anything unique about Krillin innately. Other than the nose and height things. But he's trained a lot.

Frankly, Goku's talents don't seem to be innate either, and tend to have a lot more to do with what he's learned over his adventures. He's a Saiyan from Earth.

Kakarot would have been weak as shit.

But overall.

...I mean, most of the Saiyans, and Frieza's men know how to use ki.

The ones that don't fire ki blasts have those blaster thingies, and still know how to fly.

I don't think it's an innate thing, because as easily as Goku learned the kamehameha, he still didn't do it until he'd seen it done, and he still wasn't firing regular ki blasts all the time or with that much regularity.

And learning how to fly apparently took him a little while.

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#18912: Jun 12th 2015 at 1:23:49 PM

I'm curious as to what Krillin exactly is. I mean, can you call him a dwarf? All his proportions are right. He's just...really short.

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#18913: Jun 12th 2015 at 1:24:43 PM

[up]x5, That's what makes sense to you, but not necessarily what makes sense in Dragonball. Do note that toriyama says pretty much every Saiyan is a low-class warrior, save 10 mid-classes and 2 elites.

To justify your argument, you're introducing elements into the series that are just not there. The ranks we were given are low, elite and S. elite, then Toriyama, decades later, gives the same ranking scheme, but uses different terms that ultimately mean the same thing.

[up]x6, It's "interesting" to say that Goku was made by Dr. Gero having an orgy with King Cold and a sack of potatoes, but that in no way makes it right.

[up]x2, Kakarot would've been stronger than Goku was when Raditz visited Earth. He was extremely disappointed in Goku's power level, and the only talents Goku acquired on Earth that was of any benefit was the ability to sense ki.

edited 12th Jun '15 1:28:22 PM by Cruherrx

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#18914: Jun 12th 2015 at 1:27:02 PM

It's "interesting" to say that Goku was made by Dr. Gero having an orgy with King Cold and a sack of potatoes, but that in no way makes it right.

Don't tempt me.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#18915: Jun 12th 2015 at 1:27:28 PM

[up]

It sure doesn't.

Also, that example is terrifying, and I never want to see anything like it again.

I mean, that poor sack of potatoes.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#18917: Jun 12th 2015 at 1:42:37 PM

I suppose if you put something in the water.

Then again, most types of Alcohol don't mix well with water, or get diluted if my understanding of things is right.

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#18918: Jun 12th 2015 at 1:43:35 PM

I mean, Piccolo can technically intake any liquid, right?

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#18919: Jun 12th 2015 at 1:51:03 PM

I just noticed that in the DBH scan, next to the Supreme Kai silhouettes, it mentions Dragon Ball Super.

Is DBH gonna have some DBS spoilers?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18920: Jun 12th 2015 at 1:58:11 PM

Yes.

Heroes is where we first learned about Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.

So yes.

Heroes will grab every single bit of Dragon Ball it can get its hands on, and will make up new shit if necessary.

Except Super Saiyan Pan.

edited 12th Jun '15 1:59:17 PM by unnoun

DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
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#18921: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:01:18 PM

Shh... they know Super Saiyan Pan is coming. They don't want to shortchange her.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18922: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:03:31 PM

In the meantime, I guess we'll have to settle for Villainous Majin Baby Legendary Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 7 Broly.

edited 12th Jun '15 2:03:50 PM by unnoun

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#18923: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:14:50 PM

Bio-[that]

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#18924: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:14:54 PM

On another note I had this idea of Goku getting his potential unlocked by Guru when he went on New Namek to get Dende. I wonder if that would allowed him to beat Cell. Depends on how effective the unlock would be I guess...

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#18925: Jun 12th 2015 at 2:17:48 PM

Guru can only give someone like 500 extra BS of power. He just calls it unlocking their potential to make it sound more impressive.

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