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#18801: Jun 11th 2015 at 2:39:04 PM

Babidi would never even get the opportunity to control Vegeta, because Vegeta's frustration at Goku for not fighting him wouldn't come up. Either Goku or Vegeta would fight Dabura, they would wreck his shit, and then move on to Babidi's inner chamber.

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#18802: Jun 11th 2015 at 2:41:42 PM

Buu wouldn't exist, so nobody would have pissed Beerus off enough.

They could have just partied for a bit. Beerus likes to party. And he's a polite, respectful guest when he feels like it.

He seemed to genuinely like Bulma.

I dunno whether Gohan and Videl would have banged, maybe.

Either way, I don't think it'd have made much difference, since Super Saiyan God doesn't seem to rely on anybody's normal strength.

It seems to work much more like an additive than a multiplier.

edited 11th Jun '15 2:46:15 PM by unnoun

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#18803: Jun 11th 2015 at 2:45:05 PM

  • BEERUS: I still need to blow up a planet. It's personal.
  • BULMA: Why don't you blow up two planets. Pick two. Any two. We can put them back with the Dragon Balls.
  • BEERUS: You can do what now?
  • BULMA: Once a year, we get two wishes with the Dragon Balls that can be used for anything.
  • BEERUS: Wait, so I can be blowing up TWO PLANETS PER YEAR without consequences?
  • BULMA: That's about right. Five if you get the Namekians to help out.
  • BEERUS: Congratulations, this is now my party spot forever.

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#18804: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:04:50 PM

Vegeta's power would've had to be in the millions when he challenged final form Frieza. Vegeta would know how much Frieza's previous forms were, and both were well over a million, and believe he could fight and defeat him.

That Vegeta couldn't go Super Saiyan, even though he felt fury, even though he felt trauma.

There is no logical reason Bardock would be able to go Super Saiyan with a power level of below 20k. Vegeta is a superior breed of Saiyan, and his Zenkai at 18k only pushed his battle power up to 24k, so there's no reason to assume Bardock jumped from 10k to the millions after just one.

Also, it's actually a thing with Episode of Bardock being written by a fangirl. Even in an interview with Toriyama, he's taken aback by her love for the character. He also insists Bardock is nothing special as far as Saiyans go, while she wrote him as Saiyan Jesus.

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#18805: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:10:03 PM

Happy Kamehameha Day!

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#18806: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:11:08 PM

To be fair, Beerus can destroy whatever he wishes without consequence. The only one that can enforce anything on him is Whis and he... won't. 'Cause Whis don't give a crap, yo.

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#18807: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:14:11 PM

[up][up][up]you got a source on that, because that sounds more like you having a problem with Bardock than anything Toriyama said.

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#18808: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:16:03 PM

Vegeta didn't feel trauma, he felt shame and humiliation for the fact that he wasn't as awesome as he thought he was. If having his pride ripped out of his chest and shoved down his throat was enough to trigger a transformation, he would have gone Super Saiyan 2 after Android 18 broke both of his arms.

Goku's an inferior breed and he got one that pushed him from 90k to 3 million. Zenkais are however strong the plot wants them to be.

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#18809: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:17:47 PM

unnoun, thanks for that headcanon! The fact that the reason they didn't step in once Cell lost 18 wasn't because of some sort of pride, but because they were all shit-scared of Gohan.

And honestly, Vegeta becoming a Super Saiyan is one of those things that still sort of bugs me. Up until then, it made sense. If you're a Saiyan and you're strong, and you're not a total dick, then you can probably transform...eventually. But Vegeta...he hadn't reformed by then, and yet he could still do it.

edited 11th Jun '15 3:19:07 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#18810: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:22:25 PM

The only thing that makes sense is that the SSJ tranformation requires two things: A certain amount of power, and a certain amount of anger.

Vegeta had the latter, but he didn't have the former until later.

And if SSJ does require a certain amount of power, who's to say SSJ 2 doesn't?

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#18811: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:26:22 PM

No one cares that it's Kamehameha Day?

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#18812: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:28:56 PM

Vegeta didn't need to reform, he just needed to be pure of heart. He needed single-minded, absolute focus on who he is and what he wants out of life. Having Frieza out of the way helped because it removed his biggest fetter: the kind of abject terror and intimidation that reduced Vegeta, Prince of All Saiyans to running and hiding and sneaking around trying desperately not to be noticed.

Vegeta could never have transformed on Namek. He had too many fetters restraining him from just being pure, unadulterated VEGETA.

Hell, the fact that he had to resort to exploiting his zenkai while Frieza wasn't looking is proof enough of that. Vegeta is the sort to kick in the door screaming bloody fury and just assume it will be good enough, and here he was practically begging Dende to help him gain the power so that he might be able to put up a fight against the unstoppable horror he could never hope to prevail against.

Frieza had him paralyzed from sheer terror. He knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, he could never win a straight fight. He's known that since he arrived on Namek. He was terrified of Frieza, and that fear was his shackle.

edited 11th Jun '15 3:33:36 PM by TobiasDrake

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#18813: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:29:37 PM

Well, it's the wrong Kamehameha. And besides, we just had Goku day. How many more DB-related days do we need! lol.

[up] I guess that makes sense. It's just that, geez, if Future Trunks didn't show up, and Goku didn't die...the universe would probably be f***ed once Cell was defeated.

It may have been unintentional, but it's amazing how there was always some obstacle stopping Vegeta from destroying the Earth until he generally reformed.

edited 11th Jun '15 3:33:21 PM by LOLypop1224

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#18814: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:33:51 PM

I think for Super Saiyan, it has to be a literal explosion of anger in addition to a certain amount of power, that's pretty much how all of them barring Goten & Trunks achieved the form.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18815: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:47:25 PM

[up][up] Vegeta's biggest obstacle is Vegeta.

[up]"It responds to a Need, not a desire".

And a Super Saiyan needs a pure something heart.

Pure good, pure evil, pure badass, whatever.

Super Saiyan God needs 6 righteous hearts.

Vegeta counts by that point apparently.

edited 11th Jun '15 3:57:36 PM by unnoun

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#18817: Jun 11th 2015 at 4:04:07 PM

That's not the same as him saying he thought it was weird how much someone else liked Bardock. There was no judgement passed.

...And he does say Bardock is special, because of how much he helps other lower class Saiyans, as well as his bond with his nuclear family.

And with the thing that one can be promoted if their battle power gets high enough, makes it seem like just having a higher battle power doesn't instantly make you mid-class. It needs to be recognized as being higher first.

Things got a bit busy for Bardock for a bit.

...And that doesn't address the fucked up kinda misogynistic things you said about Eo B's writer earlier.

edited 11th Jun '15 4:06:57 PM by unnoun

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#18818: Jun 11th 2015 at 4:11:10 PM

So more people are experimenting with Unlock Potential and it doesn't turn off ANY ki generating sources, including the Earthling passive.

UP drains at a fixed rate, Earthling passive restores a percentage of your maximum ki. At about 6+ bars of ki, you generate more than the transformation drains, and even if you use supers and ultimates never hit zero long enough to drop out of the form.

So infinite uptime, unless you're KO'd. Best. Transformation. Ever.

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#18819: Jun 11th 2015 at 4:13:04 PM

Even though Episode of Bardock makes no sense at all, I will say that surviving the explosion of an entire planet (remember, Bardock was engulf by the energy ball that did it, and then got caught in that explosion, so it's safe to say he got badly fucked up) would probably give a Saiyan an pretty nice Zenkai.

But the time travel is pretty stupid.

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#18821: Jun 11th 2015 at 4:20:23 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah, my male and female humans never run out of Unlocked Potential, it's really good for speed and damage.

Now to find out with Z-Souls work best with them.

edited 11th Jun '15 4:20:34 PM by VeryMelon

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#18822: Jun 11th 2015 at 4:36:50 PM

Well, now I got a reason to use Guess we should fuse into Vegito on my human.

Increase to all stats on a permanent transformation? Yes please.

(Also, Female Saiyans are not even gonna come close to the damage output of a female human now, even accounting for the high rate of Z assists...)

edited 11th Jun '15 4:37:48 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#18823: Jun 11th 2015 at 4:50:24 PM

It's funny how humans, who are largely worthless in canon, are the strongest race in Xenoverse.

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#18824: Jun 11th 2015 at 4:55:48 PM

Gohan didn't get it from his Saiyan side.

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#18825: Jun 11th 2015 at 4:57:44 PM

Gohan got half-breed vigor. The full blooded humans are still largely worthless.

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