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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#18526: Jun 7th 2015 at 1:26:01 PM

But her potentially mercurial temper would probably make training that much harsher, and because this is Dragon Ball, that much more effective, so it probably balances out.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18527: Jun 7th 2015 at 1:38:08 PM

Like, Krillin tries to explain that married people live together, and Goku just says that she'd rather do that with him.

...Chichi's reaction could be hilarious. As could Krillin's, in all honesty.

I mean, you're probably right, that Krillin wouldn't ask Goku out, but. In the series one of Goku's reasons for not wanting to marry Chichi is that he didn't know Chichi very well.

I could honestly see Krillin and Yamcha providing a simplified explanation of marriage that accidentally would make Goku think it sounds like something she'd rather do with Krillin instead. I mean, I know a lot of who people speculate that Krillin might be a pretty good cook, so.

...I mean, the dialogue of that scene would probably change, because I'm not sure Krillin would say the "your life is over" line.

...Gohan and Goten would look weird without noses.

But her potentially mercurial temper would probably make training that much harsher, and because this is Dragon Ball, that much more effective, so it probably balances out.

Although it does make Goten stronger, by being a Super Utero Saiyan.

...I don't know that it would work that way.

Of course, if Goku were pregnant with Goten in the time chamber, when it came time for the delivery either they'd need to leave and instant transmission somewhere, or Gohan would have to play midwife.

...I mean, I could buy him reading a book about childbirth and trying to help out.

edited 7th Jun '15 2:31:53 PM by unnoun

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#18528: Jun 7th 2015 at 1:44:50 PM

That entirely depends upon how Saiyan birthing works. I mean, it's entirely possible for a human to give birth without any assistance (if highly risky) and given how sturdy Saiyans are....

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18529: Jun 7th 2015 at 1:50:56 PM

[up] Assuming the birth canal is the same, and assuming Saiyan pregnancy still involves a placenta and umbilical cord, someone would probably still need to catch, and make sure the cord isn't wrapped around the baby's neck.

And that can be awkward for someone giving birth by themselves, especially since the location of the uterus makes forward bends more difficult than necessary.

I mean, it can be done, and it has been. But having Gohan just leave his mom during that time wouldn't make any sense.

...Android 18 ending up with Yamcha could be funny.

I mean, quite frankly, living with a baseball player/bodyguard is probably a better idea than being on an island with Roshi.

Or maybe 18 and Chichi could end up together.

...Huh, the idea of Goten and Marron being twins could be neat.

Maybe Marron likes being Super Saiyan a lot of the time and her hair ends up sorta blonde unless she powers down, which she doesn't usually.

...Dammit I ship fem!Goku/Krillin now.

EDIT: I found one.

It's not the best written, and it ends before Vegeta and Nappa arrive, and hasn't updated in two years, but I think there's promise in it.

I still managed to find it engaging.

So that's neat.

edited 7th Jun '15 3:08:05 PM by unnoun

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#18530: Jun 7th 2015 at 3:34:56 PM

Okay, seriously, the 'Super Saiyan sperm theory' is really annoying. Vegeta was NOT a Super Saiyan when he conceived Trunks, and yet it was still easy for him to transform - almost as easy as Goten.

I know he wasn't a Super Saiyan, because if he was, and he was on Earth, he would have gone to Goku and demanded a rematch THAT instant.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18531: Jun 7th 2015 at 3:35:22 PM

Exactly.

I think it's interesting that apparently Future Trunks had a harder time transforming than present Trunks.

edited 7th Jun '15 3:45:33 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#18532: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:01:37 PM

It's true that Vegeta wasn't a Super Saiyan when he conceived Trunks, but he was insanely powerful at that point, and that is what I'm talking about.

Super Saiyan seems to have a power floor. Otherwise, Vegeta probably would've transformed at some point. Same with Gohan, really.

Future Trunks was born from a much, much weaker Vegeta, most likely, and that's why it was so much harder for him to transform.

edited 7th Jun '15 4:05:29 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18533: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:10:13 PM

I don't see why Vegeta would be weaker.

He'd still have been training to get revenge on Goku.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#18534: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:11:42 PM

Going off the manga, Trunks could have had just an easy time as present Trunks. I prefer to think they're exactly the same, and the poor training opportunities held Trunks back. Because he sure did gain a lot of power really quickly when he had better training.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#18535: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:11:45 PM

[up][up] Revenge on or revenge for? Regardless of your choice, there are problems with your statement but I need to know which ones to address.

[up] That sounds plausible.

edited 7th Jun '15 4:12:19 PM by Zelenal

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#18536: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:12:40 PM

... No, he wouldn't be. Because Goku was dead from the heart virus and could never be brought back.

Surpassing Goku is a pretty damn big motivator for Vegeta. With Goku permanently dead forever, that goal becomes unreachable.

[up][up]I don't think they're exactly the same, when Present Trunks could transform without any form of emotional trauma, whereas Future Trunks needed to trigger the transformation the old fashioned way.

When it comes down to it, Present Trunks had it far, far easier, and it can't be just down to training, because he didn't transform into a Super Saiyan because of the training to do it - he transformed because of a rage spike.

I still think the most plausible explanation for the difference is simply that Vegeta was weaker in the Future Trunks timeline. There was no Goku to surpass and there was no android threat to prepare for.

edited 7th Jun '15 4:16:22 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#18537: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:18:19 PM

Except the manga version of the Trunks special/flashback showed that he could already go Super Saiyan when Gohan was still alive.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18538: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:19:30 PM

Revenge on or revenge for? Regardless of your choice, there are problems with your statement but I need to know which ones to address.

In the Future Timeline, Goku was still the first Super Saiyan, as well as the one who killed Frieza. And, yeah, he actually would have killed Frieza in that timeline, because the reason he didn't blow up Cold's ship and kill them all using Instant Transmission is he felt Future Trunks show up in our timeline.

Vegeta would not have let that go.

...Until Goku died of the heart virus. Sorta forgot about that.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#18539: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:20:01 PM

So are we going to toss history of Trunks (which is a damned good story) out the window because it's not how the manga went?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#18540: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:20:16 PM

[up][up][up][up] I said going off the manga. Where Future Trunks was a Super Saiyan before Gohan's death, and never showed the need for the trigger. He was just weak, which I think is the difference caused by not having Goten to spar with.

[up] Just because I go off the manga version doesn't mean I can't still enjoy the special.

edited 7th Jun '15 4:21:16 PM by Saiga

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18541: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:21:17 PM

[up][up] It's quite possibly one of the best stories in the series, in my opinion.

Not just because it's dark, but because that darkness is pointed, and focused, and has so much character and heart put into it.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#18542: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:25:56 PM

So far, there's 122 characters in Extreme Butoden. (25 playable/97 supports)

I forgot that Jaco, Gine and Shenron were in the game.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#18543: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:27:06 PM

I can summon the Eternal Dragon to beat up my foes?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#18544: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:27:52 PM

Just because I go off the manga version doesn't mean I can't still enjoy the special.

Good to hear. Though I think I like including stuff from the anime that doesn't contradict the manga, even if it is strange.

Hence I don't totally mind Coola, and Bojack. Though the latter fits a little better.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18545: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:29:06 PM

I like including stuff even when it does contradict the manga.

What I don't like is including stuff that sucks.

Fusion Reborn is basically the best of the movies.

I think there was a thing where one of the games put it during the time when Buu was building a house, and that more or less works so whatever.

edited 7th Jun '15 4:30:01 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#18546: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:31:31 PM

I like including stuff even when it does contradict the manga.

Nothing wrong with that.

What I don't like is including stuff that sucks.

BURN THE INFIDEL!!!!!

Even if it sucks It must be left in!!!!!! So says Rob.

I actually misread her post and thought she said that she includes the stuff that sucks, but I stand by my angry rant, cause I'm too silly to change my post.

edited 7th Jun '15 4:32:53 PM by HandsomeRob

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18547: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:32:27 PM

...So you want to include Dragon Ball Evolution?

I mean, I pride myself as a professional fandom heretic, but. I think even I wouldn't go that far, man.

I don't think that everything is "true". But any of it can be.

edited 7th Jun '15 4:34:14 PM by unnoun

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#18548: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:33:27 PM

Some heretic you are. Even among misfits you're a misfit.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#18549: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:33:46 PM

Just because you accept the manga version over an adaptation doesn't necessarily believe that adaptation can't be better. The anime version of Kimimaro's story was better than the manga primarily because it actually gave him a backstory and justified why he he acted the way he did and his faith in Orochimaru.

Of course, the manga doesn't contradict that so it's not exactly the same thing, but you get the point.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#18550: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:33:50 PM

[up][up][up]

Read my edit to the post above.

That being said:

FUCK THAT MOVIE, AND EVERYONE WHO ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN!!!! THERE'S A SPECIAL SPOT IN HELL AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE DEVIL FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE FUCKERS!!!!!!!!!

edited 7th Jun '15 4:34:07 PM by HandsomeRob

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