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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#18376: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:25:32 PM

If Xenoverse and Online are canon, that is.

It's Xenoverse: The Special! Starring everyone's own Original Character!

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18377: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:30:03 PM

[up] Toriyama came up with the idea.

It counts at least as much as Dragon Ball Minus.

edited 6th Jun '15 4:31:15 PM by unnoun

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#18378: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:31:32 PM

I think you mean "In continuity". Canon is just whatever Toriyama had a hand in writing.

And I see no reason Xenoverse couldn't fit in. Kind of writes itself into a nice convenient pocket.

I have a message from another time...
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18379: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:32:39 PM

I like the idea of Goku and Vegeta punching each other to death when they're old.

I can't think of any other way that's more in-character for them to go out.

Certainly not that GT garbage.

...I actually wish Golden Great Ape Goku and and Baby Vegeta were in Xenoverse's GT Pack 1.

I mean. Neo Ginyu Force is probably one of the best things to come out of GT and it wasn't even in GT. Thanks Xenoverse.

edited 6th Jun '15 4:37:58 PM by unnoun

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#18380: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:37:42 PM

GT gave us Super Saiyan 4, which was awesome.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18381: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:40:44 PM

Well, yes, that.

And this.

edited 6th Jun '15 4:49:10 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#18382: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:50:05 PM

Oh, yes, because Goku's death in GT was garbage.

...

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18383: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:50:53 PM

He didn't die, he went to another dimension thing and then came back and everyone but Pan was dead.

I prefer old people punching. Much better.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#18384: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:51:58 PM

Did... did you actually watch GT?

'Cause it doesn't seem like you did.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#18386: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:54:49 PM

[up]That ending was trippy, but what was wrong with it?

While I'm not crazy about GT... old men punching each other isn't my cup of tea. I kind of hope they stopped fighting at some point.

And since that moment is kinda a fandom Base Breaker

I like the scene, I just don't get why Master Roshi of all people had to say it, the guy who hasn't been fighting or sensed a bigger power level since, what, the Android Saga?

Even if that's not the case, Roshi wasn't around to see the fight between Goku and Beerus. We know Goku didn't land any hits, but Roshi doesn't. Unless King Kai told everyone beforehand, but no one seemed to be afraid of Beerus, so I doubt that.

edited 6th Jun '15 4:55:42 PM by Soble

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18387: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:55:08 PM

GT ended on a fucking to be continued.

Then there was that A Hero's Legacy thingy with Goku Jr. and stuff.

That ending was trippy, but what was wrong with it?

I mean, first off, kinda annoyed at Goku just sorta abandoning his family and friends again.

...All the flashback montage stuff felt kinda forced. And made me wish I was watching those instead of GT.

edited 6th Jun '15 4:58:02 PM by unnoun

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#18388: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:57:29 PM

I remember reading somewhere that GT needed to end in a way that allowed A Hero's Legacy to happen because A Hero's Legacy was drafted first.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#18389: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:58:50 PM

GT ended on a fucking to be continued.

So did Dragonball. And Z, technically.

Dragonball: Goku and Chi Chi ride off on the Nimbus Cloud, Baba looks into the crystal ball and sees their future, but oops, no spoilers!

Dragonball Z: Goku abandons his family to train a boy he just met... if Uub's parents had been in that crowd, then they literally just watched some grown man abduct their son without any warning, flying off to parts unknown.

Dragonball GT: Goku suddenly has to leave Earth with the magic dragon, abandoning his family for x years, and returning as a spirit of some sort.

It's just the last one was ridiculously unfulfilling. And in the last two cases, they ended it by introducing a completely new element - a villain gets reincarnated ebcause Goku made a request, and then Goku leaving with Shenron BS.

edited 6th Jun '15 5:05:18 PM by Soble

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18390: Jun 6th 2015 at 4:59:52 PM

I've had potato chips that were more fulfilling.

Like one that looked sorta like Buddha if I squinted and was high.

edited 6th Jun '15 5:01:16 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#18391: Jun 6th 2015 at 5:05:45 PM

As a matter of fact, I did.

I just want to point out the hilarious difference in tone, and in what the narrators say. In the English version, the narrator's all like "this is totally not the end, gaise! And the Adventure Continues!" while the Latin narrator makes it pretty damn clear that this is the end, and that Goku isn't out there somewhere waiting to come out if he's needed again - he's gone.

I suppose the inferior music is a result of not having Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku.

edited 6th Jun '15 5:07:20 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18392: Jun 6th 2015 at 5:09:11 PM

Oh.

...Dammit, your version is better.

Still, I think I'd have preferred Goku being an adult and just living on Earth with his family.

He and Vegeta are warriors, and they'd rather die in battle than anything, so.

It's not like it doesn't make sense character wise.

And everyone else is old too, so either Chichi and Bulma are dead of old age already, or will be soon enough.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#18393: Jun 6th 2015 at 5:11:17 PM

At the start of that videos, that's the Japanese GT theme.

I can't tell if people like this one more because it's better, or because it's Japanese. Everyone and their dog hates GT so it's honestly hard to tell.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18394: Jun 6th 2015 at 5:11:45 PM

It's more pleasant to listen to.

I mean, I actually like rap as a style of music.

But the GT theme in the west was.

No.

Just. Just no.

...Wasn't the big problem with Online mostly that not enough people were playing it and it wasn't making enough money? And they were having problems with getting it out in other regions?

Why would that affect the direction Toriyama wants the story to go necessarily?

It's not like anyone that managed to play it disliked it, as far as I know.

edited 6th Jun '15 5:18:18 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#18395: Jun 6th 2015 at 5:15:51 PM

As far as I know, Goku died just before using the Spirit Bomb, and he got back up on sheer willpower to finish the fight, and then left with Shenron, presumably merging with him.

That's one hell of a way to go.

@Soble

That's not the Japanese Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku. It's the Latin version.

edited 6th Jun '15 5:17:40 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18396: Jun 6th 2015 at 5:16:53 PM

...That is not how the version I saw went.

I mean, maybe the merging with Shenron thing, because I actually have no idea what the hell was going on there, and I can understand some convoluted bullshit storytelling, let me tell you.

edited 6th Jun '15 5:17:51 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#18397: Jun 6th 2015 at 5:19:37 PM

The 'Grand Tour Rap' might actually be one of the reasons why GT did as poorly as it did in North America.

GT is actually remembered pretty fondly in Argentina, at least, and most of Latin America seems to share the opinion as well.

Even I, who acknowledges that it really wasn't good, like it.

[up]The version I saw was thus:

Goku is hit. Everyone presumes him dead. Remember, they can feel ki, and yet they assumed he was dead, which leads me to assume he is dead.

Then Goku comes out of the hole with a giant freaking Spirit Bomb. People start contributing to it. Goku contacts King Kai, and tells him "Hey, this shit ain't enough, need more", and King Kai goes "You got it", cue montage.

Also, all through this, Goku is shrugging off all of Omega Shenron's attacks. Attacks which would've severely injured him as SSJ 4, killed him if he tanked them as a SSJ 3, let alone in base.

Then he throws it, it hits, kills Omega Shenron and then Goku has a talk with Shenron, whereupon they pretty much agree that overuse of the Dragonballs was the cause and that they really shouldn't be used anymore to prevent another Omega Shenron from appearing.

Goku negotiates with Shenron one last wish to return things to how they should be, and the Dragon Balls merge with his body, except the Four Star Dragon Ball, while he rides off with Shenron.

edited 6th Jun '15 5:27:02 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18398: Jun 6th 2015 at 5:21:34 PM

...I mean, I know there are actual rappers who really really liked Dragon Ball and have rapped about it. And rap, like all music and art, is a form of expression and yadda yadda, so I'm not going to say that doing a rap about Dragon Ball or anything somebody is passionate about is inherently a bad idea.

...But goddamn that theme tune is awful and sounds so incredibly forced.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#18399: Jun 6th 2015 at 5:23:59 PM

Didn't the DVD version use an English version of the Japanese opening?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#18400: Jun 6th 2015 at 5:30:37 PM

@unnoun

I know at least one DragonBall Rap that people like.

90% of the lyrics are the characters' names, and the other 10% is talking about things that happened. There's also a joke about the song coming after the Tetris song, and talking about how people who didn't follow this series had no childhood.

It's also in Spanish Spanish, a dub which is usually despised by Latin speakers, but the song itself is beloved by most fans.

edited 6th Jun '15 5:32:04 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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