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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#18051: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:45:51 PM

The first arc was utterly bizarre. DB really came into vogue with the Tournament arc.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#18052: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:18:39 PM

Monster Carrot was the most filler-like chapter you could get in a manga. You really could take that part out and nothing would change. And it removes the whole problem of the fact that the Rabbit Mob died when Roshi blew up the moon in the 21st Budokai.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#18053: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:20:32 PM

And the power of turning things you touch into carrots becomes a lot less useful when people can vaporize you just by glaring at you too hard.

Yes, Piccolo can do it. Literal eye beams!

You know something that just hit me?

Of all the characters... the one who has left the most impact on all of us is Yamcha.

edited 2nd Jun '15 9:24:52 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#18054: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:25:13 PM

That's why you need time freeze.

Just make sure you can hold your breath long enough, and run up and turn them to a carrot / Devilmite beam / Kienzan.

A winner is you.

Time freeze is the Guren no Yumiya / Guile's theme of fighting techniques. It works with everything.

One Strip! One Strip!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#18055: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:32:55 PM

I want to see a combat application for Piccolo's Clothes Beam.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#18056: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:35:55 PM

You mean like creating a Bomb vest that goes off two seconds after being put on?

One Strip! One Strip!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#18057: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:36:20 PM

Cover the opponent in infinite layers of clothing. Permanent death-trap. tongue

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#18058: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:39:10 PM

Find a planet with clothes that eat people.

Learn to summon said clothes with Clothes beam.

Piccolo is now top of the food chain......if he can hit you with it.

One Strip! One Strip!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#18059: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:42:22 PM

Put your enemy in a Sailor Moon cosplay outfit.

Porn will ensue, saving you the fight.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#18060: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:45:19 PM

Goddammit. I went and pictured Broly in a sailor moon outfit.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#18061: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:47:36 PM

You may have to kill yourself.

It's the only way to burn away the.....

Shit. Now you Got Me Doing It.

I hope your happy now. It's spreading.

One Strip! One Strip!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#18062: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:49:06 PM

I've run across a lot of seriously messed up DB porn in my travels around the wastes of the internet.

Cell tail rape seems especially popular. Spoilers for the weak-stomached.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#18063: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:50:25 PM

Burying your foe in mountain after mountain of clothes until they suffocate or are crushed by the weight seems to be the most effective application.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#18064: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:51:48 PM

[up][up]

Damn you porn people!

Why did you have to go there? Why?!!!

[up] Those better be exploding cannibal clothes, otherwise, Rob don't see it.

One Strip! One Strip!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#18065: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:58:11 PM

So Fairy Tail went bad?

Well, that's a damn shame. I forgot to keep up about halfway through the Erdoras arc. sounds like there's no reason to catch up.

I have a message from another time...
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#18066: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:01:46 PM

It's pretty much the Natsu and Erza show.

The villains always get easily stomped despite getting hyped up, and there are so many ass-pulls that it's painful.

One Strip! One Strip!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#18067: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:04:12 PM

Erza is now Guild Master though, so she might end up becoming like Hiruzen and only participating in fights that are completely fucking serious, like Orochimaru's invasion.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#18068: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:18:10 PM

I'm watching Dragon Ball, and there's something Bulma says that's Hilarious in Hindsight.

I don't know what planet this kid's from, but it's definitely not Earth!

edited 2nd Jun '15 10:18:19 PM by BaconManiac5000

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#18069: Jun 3rd 2015 at 12:34:01 AM

I can't remember, were Master Krillin and Master Tien still friends despite being the leaders of rival martial art schools?

edited 3rd Jun '15 12:34:14 AM by Rinsankajugin

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#18070: Jun 3rd 2015 at 3:58:54 AM

I've never seen anyone say it was a beacon of representation, but I've definitely seen it listed as a shonen that handles women well in a few separate instances.

But... that could have just been because they liked the skeevy bits and thought that was positive. Cause I have seen that as well.

edited 3rd Jun '15 3:59:24 AM by Saiga

SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#18071: Jun 3rd 2015 at 4:16:28 AM

[up]Wait, what?

Why would any of that be positive?

"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#18072: Jun 3rd 2015 at 4:24:07 AM

Long story the short the idea that making women prominent so they can be used for eye candy gets people interested in them which is good.

Never bought it. Seemed like a bullshit reason to make objectifying female characters look progressive.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#18073: Jun 3rd 2015 at 4:40:33 AM

And that's why I'm worried about what happens if they introduce a female character in Super.

It's honestly not that hard to make a good female character. You just don't make the plot treat her differently because of her gender. And to just NOT make gratuitous Fanservice shots.

But whatever, different cultures, female characters might not sell, people are just going to sexualise them anyway...I don't think they're good excuses, but I'm not going to start demanding change. I'm not the target audience here.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18074: Jun 3rd 2015 at 7:02:59 AM

What I don't understand is why going on about power levels and how certain characters are useless and "I could totally have done the Android Saga better you guys" is perfectly acceptable, but daring to mention that just maybe the way a female character was treated is a little fucked up is "bashing" or "bitching".

Especially since.

...Oh god, here we go.

Okay, so. One thing I've been reading lately is a few fanfictions and character analysis thingies about Goku being developmentally disabled and/or genderqueer. A fanfiction series in particular by an author on the autistic spectrum, who identifies as genderqueer, and is the primary caretaker for a developmentally disabled sibling.

And they argued, I thought compellingly, that Goku demonstrates traits in the series that are not dissimilar to some of their actual experiences, and experiences of people they know. Of course, in the series it's usually played off as a joke at Goku's expense.

But I think the attempt on their part to sort of "reclaim" Goku is. Interesting. And it's the sort of thing I personally like about stories. Being able to look at them and interpret them and analyze them and discuss them. To think about them.

And I think this series in particular is fascinating to do that with because it is so many things. I mean, the reason Bulma exists is that in play adaptations of Journey To The West, the character of Xuanzang was usually played by a woman.

This series started as an extremely perverted parody of a chinese legend, then eventually it became Superman, with General Zod; then Terminator. Then for the climax it became itself, and pulled itself out of its own hat.

There's interesting stuff here about stories and how they can be repurposed and change over time.

And I'm stuck on the basics of feminist theory and the concept or representation with you people. I can't even get into the ground floor of this stuff here.

Instead I have to keep bashing my head against power levels and authorial intent.


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