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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18001: Jun 2nd 2015 at 5:33:27 PM

I love Vegeta. He is basically perfect for his role in the series. He is one of the most intensely flawed characters of the series, and the most consistently antagonist. But at times he's also often his own worst enemy, and it's so satisfying to see him get his well-deserved comeuppance.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#18002: Jun 2nd 2015 at 5:36:55 PM

Yes, Vegeta is awesome at being terrible. XD

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#18003: Jun 2nd 2015 at 5:39:50 PM

I'm really, really sorry for bringing this up again, but now I'm curious. What did Videl getting beaten like that even accomplish? Gohan probably would have gone Super Saiyan 2 in front of Kibito if Piccolo had told him to. Right? He didn't need to be angry about Videl for it to happen.

I guess it was to show how evil Spopovich was, and then, by extent, how evil Babidi was, but we could have been told that by so many other ways.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18004: Jun 2nd 2015 at 5:40:59 PM

[up][up] Basically.

[up] I mean, there are plenty of other occasions where Babadi does evil things, so.

Kinda unnecessary?

edited 2nd Jun '15 5:46:07 PM by unnoun

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#18005: Jun 2nd 2015 at 5:43:59 PM

Yeah, Vegeta's one of those characters that it's satisfying for something bad to happen to them.

That being said, he's actually (comparatively) a pretty decent person now, so I do feel bad for him more now than I did during, say, the Cell Saga.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#18006: Jun 2nd 2015 at 5:46:43 PM

[up][up]Hell, he murdered the aforementioned Spopovitch and Yamu without hesitation.

Keep in mind that said pair accomplished their mission with flying colours (though Babidi had no idea how well they'd done).

Killing off goons who fail is one thing, but killing off goons who actually succeeded when you think they are no longer valuable is a the ultimate dick move.

edited 2nd Jun '15 5:46:58 PM by HandsomeRob

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#18007: Jun 2nd 2015 at 5:49:25 PM

Spopovich was basically hyped to hype other characters like Babidi and Dabura by extension. I really don't like it when stories do this, just to note; I think characters' hype should pay off unto themselves.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18008: Jun 2nd 2015 at 5:51:31 PM

Why didn't Babadi blow up Dabura and Vegeta when they disobeyed him?

Why didn't he put his curse on Buu to take control of him?

...I mean, yes, Majin Majin Buu would have been dumb to say, but.

edited 2nd Jun '15 5:54:55 PM by unnoun

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#18009: Jun 2nd 2015 at 5:57:18 PM

I guess that's the real issue. When Vegeta gets beat up, he totally deserves it. The stuff with 18 happened just after he was being a massive dick to Future Trunks, so the audience had a reason to hate him.

What did Videl do to deserve getting beaten up? Not giving up? Honestly, I wouldn't have even said it was sexist if I hadn't seen some terrible comments on Youtube trying to say it was her fault for not surrendering. Dude, if you were under the impression that magic and aliens didn't exist, would you believe Spopovich was being enhanced by an alien wizard?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18010: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:00:38 PM

It's not like anybody else knew about the alien wizard at the time aside from the god of the god of god.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#18011: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:08:08 PM

The only things I question are:

1) Why she never tried to throw him out of the ring when it was clear she couldn't knock him out. But by the time she realized she couldn't knock him out, it was likely too late anyway (since he'd shown he could fly)

2) Why nobody tried to stop the match. It was clear it was no longer entertaining at this point. I can only assume they really didn't have any rules for when a fighter purposely dragged out the match the Spopovitch did (his actions, while abhorrent, were apparently not breaking any rules at all, so this really must have never happened before).

I won't fault Videl for not surrendering. She's the daughter of the (supposed) hero Mr. Satan. That kind of legacy must be lived up to. That and bloody minded stubbornness meant she'd never surrender. Not that it mattered after a while. It's clear that she no longer had the capacity to surrender even if she wanted to after the beating went on long.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#18012: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:10:37 PM

I was asking that second question before. At that point, I think even Vegeta might have stepped in if just to get that match over with so he can fight Goku.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#18013: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:10:49 PM

It's something of a curse of anime that any and all hype a character has instantly transfers to the character that beat them should they happen to lose. I brought up the character Lucci from One Piece earlier as he's a pretty glaring example of this. In his own arc he was built up as one of the best in the world and gave the hero a grueling fight. Thing is, this was the hero before the Time Skip and a very significant powerup. As it stands now, the hero as he currently is could probably take out Lucci in one hit, and he's not nearly one of the best himself which makes it kind of silly Lucci was seen as so dangerous.

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#18014: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:11:49 PM

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#18015: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:15:47 PM

And it's a thing Dragon Ball has been doing since...the second Tournament Arc.

The Red Ribbon Army didn't actually do that well except for Tao Pai Pai. After that, things were relatively smooth sailing for Goku. Perhaps that's why the arc isn't as fondly remembered. The power levels went all over the place.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#18016: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:18:24 PM

his logic is what causes shows like Korra and Fairy Tale to exist and be so terrible.

While I agree with the futility of sexism discussions, this is the part that bothers me.

How could you say that Legend of Korra is terrible? How!? How can you be showing some moderate interest in Dragon Ball as a series and think Korra is terrible? That's blatant contradiction and it disturbs me deeply.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#18017: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:26:15 PM

I think that Korra is terrible because it can't hold a candle to the glory that was Avatar: The Last Airbender.

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#18018: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:29:50 PM

But Book 3 had a depressing last scene! Everybody knows that everything is better with a depressing last scene!

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#18019: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:33:36 PM

The original's Book 2 also had a depressing last scene. Freeza Aang did it.

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TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#18020: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:36:54 PM

Yeah, but Aang never did the Shinji face!

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#18021: Jun 2nd 2015 at 6:38:49 PM

I know nothing about LOK except people thought the romance arc in the first two seasons was skeevy.

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#18022: Jun 2nd 2015 at 7:05:23 PM

I like... well, I want to like Fairy Tail, what with its interesting setting, but I agree that it has way too much skeevy stuff. Not quite to the level of crap like SAO, but it can get pretty damn bad.

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#18023: Jun 2nd 2015 at 7:14:43 PM

Is it bad that I've been watching Sword Art Online II when it comes on on Toonami?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#18024: Jun 2nd 2015 at 7:18:25 PM

@The Airman

Sharing anything with Shinji instantaneously makes Korra a shitty character.

Do you not read fanfiction?

Not even fans of Shinji actually keep Shinji being, well, Shinji.

edited 2nd Jun '15 7:18:53 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#18025: Jun 2nd 2015 at 7:18:32 PM

I can't exactly begrudge you that. Some have said that season is better. I just personally can't continue it after what went down in the ALO arc.

[up] Shinji ate sugar?

edited 2nd Jun '15 7:19:12 PM by Enlong

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