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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17826: May 30th 2015 at 4:52:43 AM

Yeap, it's filler.

The Dragon Ball logic never changed, the character flaw was introduced purely for this movie. Goku previously wasn't one to leave himself open, and had shown enough durability that it wouldn't matter. It's just a plot device to lead into Vegeta's fight, and a flaw introduced so Whis' training has something to address. Essentially learning a solution to a problem that didn't exist until Goku needed something to solve.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17827: May 30th 2015 at 4:53:54 AM

I don't see much difference between this and suddenly needing to breathe.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17828: May 30th 2015 at 4:54:56 AM

Goku going to the moon was only one instance, very early on. Whereas the Saiyan durability and Goku having a measure of competence in battle were consistent through the series.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17829: May 30th 2015 at 5:06:33 AM

Maybe Goku just forgot about all that. Like Krillin forgetting he didn't have a nose until it was pointed out to him and was losing to odors that he was presumably only imagining smelling.

Maybe Whis just felt like messing with the guy with brain damage. Instilling psychosomatic weaknesses is the sort of shit gods pull all the time.

edited 30th May '15 5:24:54 AM by unnoun

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#17830: May 30th 2015 at 9:15:04 AM

...is it? I've seen plenty of stories with deities who are cruel, but that specific thing is not something I recall seeing.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#17831: May 30th 2015 at 9:20:43 AM

Ditto.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17832: May 30th 2015 at 12:34:16 PM

Not that specific thing, no, but.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#17833: May 30th 2015 at 12:36:35 PM

But what? We're not psychic. If that one thing doesn't happen all the time then you're point completely falls apart.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17834: May 30th 2015 at 12:41:05 PM

There's plenty of that category of thing that happens though.

"That sort of thing" doesn't necessarily refer to a specific incident.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#17835: May 30th 2015 at 12:47:13 PM

Then what say you about any given work that has benevolent deities? You seem to believe that all deities are inherently evil even though Whis and Beerus clearly are not.

Also, without that specific thing you mentioned being a common occurrence, your entire point still falls apart.

edited 30th May '15 12:48:00 PM by Zelenal

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#17836: May 30th 2015 at 12:48:32 PM

They're not evil, but they are dickheads.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17837: May 30th 2015 at 12:49:05 PM

Even the most benevolent deity is still a dick.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17838: May 30th 2015 at 1:00:01 PM

I'm pretty sure that statement is wrong.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17839: May 30th 2015 at 1:03:00 PM

Do I need to hit you with the Torah?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17840: May 30th 2015 at 1:04:18 PM

I'd recommend against using the phrase 'God is a dick' in any context.

I got banned for it once.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17841: May 30th 2015 at 1:10:55 PM

Seems like an odd administrative decision.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#17842: May 30th 2015 at 1:15:31 PM

Not really. Real life religions are Serious Business. There's a damn good reason why you do not talk about real life religion and politics outside of threads/fora dedicated to them.

[up]x6 Beerus is a dickhead. Whis is a Whis.

edited 30th May '15 1:16:27 PM by Zelenal

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#17843: May 30th 2015 at 1:18:12 PM

Threeza is a dickhead.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#17844: May 30th 2015 at 1:18:57 PM

Threeza?

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#17845: May 30th 2015 at 1:23:00 PM

What about Athena from Saint Seiya, is she a dick?

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#17846: May 30th 2015 at 1:29:13 PM

[up][up] Freeza's third form.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#17848: May 30th 2015 at 2:29:47 PM

Huh.

I know we go back and forth on how seriously we take some of the stuff Toriyama says, but I guess we know the Android's powers are static.

Since they are already pretty high level due to their upgrades, I wonder how far they could go with Training. I mean, Krillin and Tien are pretty strong for humans (though Tien hit the glass ceiling training on his own, and Krillin needed an outside source for his extra power).

In fact, if they can get stronger through training, the Kaiouken might be a viable power up for them.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17849: May 30th 2015 at 2:33:05 PM

Aren't static, you mean.

Anyway.

I imagine Lapis and Lazuli were at like 5 before they met the good doctor.

edited 30th May '15 2:48:14 PM by unnoun

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#17850: May 30th 2015 at 2:50:23 PM

Teach them the spirit bomb, too.

Can you power your own spirit bomb, or is that no more efficient than just charging an energy ball as normal?

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