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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17801: May 29th 2015 at 5:43:07 PM

I mean. Fragile by who's standards? Because Goku could block bullets with his face and a power level of 10.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17802: May 29th 2015 at 5:45:13 PM

[up] Which is interesting because doesn't that imply Mr. Satan, the strongest non-ki controller, has a PL below 10?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17803: May 29th 2015 at 5:47:47 PM

Roshi, with a power level of 130, was worried about facing the Red Ribbon army, and thought Goku died when Commander Black shot him from behind by surprise.

Majin Buu has bullets go all the way through him when he slaughters the army and police of the Earth.

I don't think bullet resistance is entirely a power level thing. I think it might partly be a ki control thing, and partly a body resilience thing. And sometimes a gag manga thing.

Saiyans have freakishly thick skulls and skin.

edited 29th May '15 5:48:30 PM by unnoun

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#17804: May 29th 2015 at 5:48:14 PM

Again, part of that is because of his Saiyan physiology.

And fragile in that blowing up the planet would destroy him.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17805: May 29th 2015 at 5:50:41 PM

Goku has always had pretty good ki control.

Like. In the Buu Saga, when they were going to the punch machine, Krillin scored 192 points, and Goku scored 186.

So either Krillin can punch things harder than Goku, or Goku just has better control.

Roshi's been shot by Launch before. But he was specifically worried about Goku being shot from behind and by surprise. So, I would say that humans with high power levels and good ki control can deflect bullets if they know it's coming and can boost themselves appropriately.

Hercule can have as high a power level as he wants, but if he can't control his ki then it would still be attached to his weak human body.

edited 29th May '15 6:15:43 PM by unnoun

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#17806: May 29th 2015 at 5:57:37 PM

I feel like Goku was deliberately holding back as much as possible, and Krillin was subconsciously holding back a little less, because he didn't think he had as much *to* hold back.

Vegeta, of course, gave as few shits as possible.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17807: May 29th 2015 at 6:03:08 PM

Hercule pulls lines of buses. In early Dragon Ball, there was a boulder that Goku struggled to move when training under Roshi at first.

I think Hercule is stronger than 10. I dunno by how much, but by enough.

I could put him at about 130. Pretty easily.

With Ox King though. He doesn't use ki attacks either, but he didn't even notice Goku's attacks when he first showed up. Ox King is stupidly strong in terms of physical power.

I could see him bisecting King Piccolo or maybe even Raditz or a Saibaman with that axe of his. If his heart condition wasn't bothering him that day.

edited 29th May '15 8:50:20 PM by unnoun

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#17808: May 29th 2015 at 7:45:31 PM

Well I didn't believe it.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17809: May 29th 2015 at 8:43:43 PM

[up][up] You think Mr. Satan is that close to (at-rest) Roshi? Interesting.

You think he could take General Blue?

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#17810: May 29th 2015 at 8:45:57 PM

Probably not. Blue has psychic powers and whatnot.

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#17811: May 29th 2015 at 8:48:03 PM

And we know that Psychic types do pretty well against Fighting types. :P

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17812: May 29th 2015 at 8:54:21 PM

Power level is ultimately a measure of ki.

Generally, having a higher power level means faster, stronger, more durable. But there's other factors. There are techniques and physical traits that also affect all those things.

When Hercule fought those muggers the first time, he moved faster than they could see. Same as Krillin and Roshi at the first tournament.

Having ki isn't the same as knowing how to use it. That has to be taught. Some people seem to learn it better than others.

It seems like punching things and wearing heavy shit can make you have more ki. Which can lead to you hitting things harder. For some reason.

Hercule's thing is that he doesn't know any techniques like the rest of the characters.

I think it's worth mentioning that when he was shot, he was caught by surprise and the manga was playing it for drama.

He gets bitch-slapped by Cell and Buu and lives.

edited 29th May '15 9:11:14 PM by unnoun

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#17813: May 29th 2015 at 11:02:39 PM

While Mr. Satan is weaker than Master Roshi, he has to be at least at ~100, because that's the level he'd need to win a World Martial Arts Tournament, pretty much.

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#17814: May 29th 2015 at 11:04:04 PM

Well, not necessarily, because the announcer said the last tournament was boring and other characters commented on it becoming a farce.

The announcer guy could just be comparing it to the 23rd, but I'd say it's likely that the tournament Satan won simply wasn't on the level of the three we see in the series.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17815: May 29th 2015 at 11:07:06 PM

At the very least, the statement that he's the strongest non-ki-controller instantly makes him better than Chappa, Nam, Bacterian, and all those other quirky tournament people.

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#17816: May 29th 2015 at 11:07:25 PM

All three of which contained amazing fights by the protagonists.

Just by being normal, it'd be pretty boring for people who saw and remember the really fantastic ones.

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#17817: May 29th 2015 at 11:09:21 PM

[up][up] What statement? That comes purely from fans.

Toriyama joked he probably couldn't beat the real life martial artist Bob Sapp.

edited 29th May '15 11:10:23 PM by Saiga

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#17818: May 29th 2015 at 11:14:10 PM

Which is hilarious, because Bob Sapp is atrocious.

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#17819: May 30th 2015 at 12:37:41 AM

And also ignores Mr. Satan's superhuman feat of not dying after he got bitchslapped by Cell.

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#17820: May 30th 2015 at 1:44:11 AM

Regarding this whole "Goku can tank bullets" thing:

Bullets (guns in general) have always been subject to Rule of Funny in this series (there's also Blue's men being skewered by spears, then reviving temporarily to report their own death). The only exception are the snipers who shot Buu's puppy.

Or we could handwave this by saying bullets are less deadly in the DB universe, it's your call tongue

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#17821: May 30th 2015 at 4:08:38 AM

Don't forget Gohan deflecting a bunch of bullets with a single finger in BoG and Trunks asserting that neither the bullets nor Dogman's sword would hurt him. Yet Videl actually gets rather seriously injured (of course, I think Gohan redirected those bullets rather than blocked them because they wouldn't have been able to seriously hurt Videl or end up hitting Beerus like that otherwise).

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#17822: May 30th 2015 at 4:44:12 AM

[up] It's Shu. Or Soba.

But judging by what happens in Resurrection F, I'm just going with the fact that they can't be hurt by bullets when they're paying attention. Perhaps they're not so superhuman when they're caught off-guard.

After all, I still can't get over the fact that the Saiyans can probably move faster than the speed of sound, and yet Gohan couldn't catch an earring that Goku threw to him.

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#17823: May 30th 2015 at 4:45:50 AM

Kid Goku has been attacked many, many times while off guard and it hasn't even broken the skin. Axe to the head, sniper rifle bullet to the face, all just sting.

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#17824: May 30th 2015 at 4:48:33 AM

I guess I'm going to have to chalk it up to Dragon Ball logic changing when it became more serious? I dunno. I guess I have to stick with that, or else we might get into a 'the ring' argument.

Is that scene with Krillin throwing a rock at Goku filler or not?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17825: May 30th 2015 at 4:50:39 AM

It is, but I like it anyway.

Frankly, Goku being able to sleep in Super Saiyan is almost more impressive.

Also. I would to remind everyone that according to the Frieza saga Goku needs to breath air, when in Dragon Ball he took some people to the moon. And also didn't turn ape for some reason.

edited 30th May '15 4:53:07 AM by unnoun


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