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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#17751: May 29th 2015 at 12:21:22 PM

You know, mistranslation aside, we can also use the awesome power of math to prove that Goku's power level couldn't have been over 9,000 when he fought Vegeta. If it was then Goku would be stronger than Vegeta, if only just, using only Kaiou-ken x2 and would have only needed the x3 to push back Vegeta's Galek Gun.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17752: May 29th 2015 at 12:25:11 PM

Vegeta's Gallic Gun was ~24,000, wasn't it? I mean, at x3, he and Goku were roughly evenly matched, and Goku is above 8000, so that means that Vegeta was probably closer to 25,000 than not.

The powerlevels are approximate anyway.

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#17753: May 29th 2015 at 12:27:01 PM

The power of beam attacks fluctuates, which is why I specifically noted the battle power of Gohan's Masenko, not necessarily himself. Raditz observed this on the Scouter when Piccolo was charging his Makankosappo and the battle reading was skyrocketing because it was no longer reading Piccolo, but the move instead.

It's entirely possible for an 18,000 BP Vegeta to throw a 25,000 BP Galick Gun.

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#17754: May 29th 2015 at 12:31:05 PM

Saibamen kill Krillin instead of Yamcha, how does the series change?

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#17755: May 29th 2015 at 12:35:21 PM

Yamcha completely fucks up the Spirit Bomb and Vegeta wins. Everyone dies. Freeza gets Namek's Dragon Balls. He rules that quadrant of the universe/the entire universe forever.

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#17756: May 29th 2015 at 1:00:13 PM

Krillin already fucked up the Genki-Dama, that wouldn't change much.

Yamcha would probably get everyone Yamcha'd on Namek, though.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#17757: May 29th 2015 at 1:04:42 PM

Going by how surprised Raditz was about the Ki Attacks rising higher than the user's PL,that might be an Earthling only thing.

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#17758: May 29th 2015 at 1:11:13 PM

Raditz was surprised about the fact that their ki attacks were four to five times as strong as the wielders were.

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#17759: May 29th 2015 at 1:15:53 PM

Does that energy come from the same place the SSJ and Namekian Fusion boosts come from too,i wonder.

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#17760: May 29th 2015 at 1:19:06 PM

If the place you're thinking of is Narrative Convenience Land, then yes.

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#17761: May 29th 2015 at 1:22:54 PM

Vegeta's also demonstrably smarter than his minions, so what surprises Raditz may not surprise him.

As evidenced when Nappa was all, "LOL your battle powers," and Vegeta called him out on how they're obviously hiding their battle powers so the Scouter is useless.

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#17762: May 29th 2015 at 1:23:12 PM

Excellent.

Clearly Cell didn't charge his Special Beam Canon enough against Gohan.

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#17763: May 29th 2015 at 1:31:29 PM

[up]x7 Yamcha would somehow screw it up even more so that Gohan couldn't bounce it back or something.

edited 29th May '15 1:31:44 PM by Zelenal

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#17764: May 29th 2015 at 1:35:43 PM

I think everything would have been fine on Namek until Yamcha and Gohan are beaten by Dodoria, who they have no hope of defeating since neither of them have Solar Flare. Unless Vegeta decides to save their lives for some reason. After that, it's basically exactly the same until Frieza kills Yamcha because I don't think Goku would become a Super Saiyan under those circumstances.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#17765: May 29th 2015 at 1:37:07 PM

Yamcha would be too impure for the Genki,which would blow him up and tragically kill Goku.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17766: May 29th 2015 at 1:37:51 PM

...How is Krillin more pure?

He was never able to ride on the Nimbus.

I mean, is purity necessary to pass the Spirit Bomb along? As opposed to making it or bouncing it.

edited 29th May '15 1:38:38 PM by unnoun

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#17767: May 29th 2015 at 1:39:36 PM

Purity is needed to gather the energy but it can be used by anyone once the energy is gathered.

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#17768: May 29th 2015 at 1:39:40 PM

...Uh, Buddhist?

No idea,but it's Yamcha! It just happens!

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#17769: May 29th 2015 at 1:41:44 PM

Krillin only wanted to be a martial artist to pick up chicks, Yamcha on the other hand did it because he likes fighting in and of itself, seeing as he at least knew of all the big names at the tournaments.

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#17770: May 29th 2015 at 1:42:47 PM

But Yamcha would more likely be the one throwing the ball (which I don't think requires purity).

It's reflecting it that needs purity to work.

Then again, most answers outside of a few aren't actually serious, and are simply lol! Yamcha fails.

He probably would fail though.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#17771: May 29th 2015 at 1:46:02 PM

On a more serious note,I always confused the Spirit Ball with the Bomb in the games.

Back then only Z had aired in my country,and I thought Yamcha had made a more maneuverable version of it.

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#17772: May 29th 2015 at 1:49:50 PM

I thought the same thing when I was a kid.

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#17773: May 29th 2015 at 1:51:34 PM

Which is less of an issue without translated names, 'cause it's hard to confuse Sokidan (suki? I can never remember... Maybe it was Suckydan) with Genkidama.

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#17774: May 29th 2015 at 1:55:21 PM

"Soukidan" (and now everyone's going to ignore that "U") literally means "Controllable Energy Ball." Just for the record.

Looking at alternate wording, they could have called it the Energy Bullet or even Spirit Bullet.

edited 29th May '15 1:57:14 PM by Zelenal

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#17775: May 29th 2015 at 1:57:08 PM

That's why they started translating Dama as Bomb instead of Sphere?


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