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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17326: May 22nd 2015 at 8:12:35 PM

That really wouldn't work for that point in the story. He does get stronger from his training in The Room and is probably stronger than Semi Cell after that.

And he was weaker than post-nomnoms Imperfect Cell.

edited 22nd May '15 8:13:19 PM by Saiga

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17327: May 22nd 2015 at 8:16:33 PM

[up] I think I vastly underestimate the power boosts in the series. I've thought this for a while.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#17328: May 22nd 2015 at 8:20:45 PM

[up][up]I dunno about being stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17329: May 22nd 2015 at 8:31:42 PM

Piccolo was supposed to get a huge power up from the room, so I don't know why that'd be a stretch. Semi Cell is absolute fodder at that point.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#17330: May 22nd 2015 at 8:32:19 PM

I can see Piccolo as stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell after the Hyperbolic Time Chamber training, maybe even as strong as Vegeta was when he fought Semi-Perfect Cell.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17331: May 22nd 2015 at 8:33:43 PM

I forget, did Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha use the HTC?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#17332: May 22nd 2015 at 8:39:11 PM

No. Krillin gave up, Tien said there wouldn't be any point, and Yamcha is Yamcha.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#17333: May 22nd 2015 at 8:41:58 PM

Super Buu has, at least, human intelligence. Speaking and understanding speech enough to converse (no parrots allowed) is a pretty solid clue.

He may not have the intelligence of a particularly bright human, but definitely within the range of human intelligence.

edited 22nd May '15 8:43:10 PM by Enlong

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17334: May 22nd 2015 at 8:47:10 PM

[up][up] It's something of a bummer that King Kai-trained!Tien, Yamcha, and Chaozu never really got to show what they were capable of, no?

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#17335: May 22nd 2015 at 8:49:27 PM

It does. I'd have liked to see more stuff from not-Saiyans.

...and that's just the tagline for any given DBZ thead, isn't it?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17336: May 22nd 2015 at 8:52:01 PM

On a vaguely related note, wow, Dr. Wheelo was strong. According to the manual, his PL was 39,000, meaning he could've squashed all the canon villains up to Monster Zarbon.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17337: May 22nd 2015 at 8:52:50 PM

Eh, I think it was a good idea to phase them out and that was the best time for it. I always liked that Dragon Ball had an ever-changing cast during its run.

Which is one of the problems I have with the new movies, they've toned that down a lot.

[up] take all non-manga battle powers with a heft dose of salt. They aren't intended to fit anything else.

edited 22nd May '15 8:54:21 PM by Saiga

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#17338: May 22nd 2015 at 8:55:44 PM

Phase out Goku.

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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#17339: May 22nd 2015 at 8:56:34 PM

[up][up][up] And yet he looked to (weaker) martial artists for the strongest body to snatch. Maybe his power source was limited? That, or he preferred a biological vessel for their potential to train and evolve.

edited 22nd May '15 8:56:50 PM by DoctorDiabolical

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17340: May 22nd 2015 at 8:58:11 PM

Eh, I'm okay with semi-official sources for semi-official characters myself.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17341: May 22nd 2015 at 8:59:30 PM

That's not the problem. The problem is that other sources give battle powers on a completely different scale. Nothing to do with official vs semi-official.

[up][up][up] and this is why I want Goku and Vegeta to receive less focus. I don't see why they should be exempt to it.

edited 22nd May '15 9:01:05 PM by Saiga

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17342: May 22nd 2015 at 9:01:06 PM

[up] Care to elaborate what you mean by scale here?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17343: May 22nd 2015 at 9:04:28 PM

Different scale meaning that their numbers don't mean the same thing. The movie 3 pamphlet shows this best, because it includes manga characters with completely different battle powers than what they have in the manga.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#17345: May 22nd 2015 at 10:03:13 PM

[up][up][up][up]Phasing out the hero and his rival in a Shonen series? To focus on characters weaker than them? Pfffffft, what do you think this is, Full Metal Alchemist. We must accept that nobody but Goku or Vegeta matter because their Power Levels are just too uber strong and everyone else is piss weak.

The depressing part is that this is more or less true...

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17346: May 22nd 2015 at 10:06:40 PM

[up] Would it be too much to ask for, say, a villain about as strong as Captain Ginyu or whoever popping up on Earth while Goku and Vegeta are running around doing god things who the humans have to beat? That's got to be worth at least a mini-arc in DBS...

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#17347: May 22nd 2015 at 10:15:33 PM

That's still more than enough for Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin to handle honestly.

Like for real, it was sorta used in 'Revival of F', but I'd really like an arc about how the characters handle a threat without Goku & Vegeta to bail them out. Have the villain be Dangerously Genre-Savvy and take out the two strongest guys first, Deus Exit Machina, whatever.

Its like, I saw this in one of the last episodes of Digimon Frontier, where an Ice Devimon took out The Hero and The Lancer(Whom at this point were two whole levels above the rest of their gang) and it just so refreshing to see the supporting cast pick up the slack for a change. Just extend that to a whole arc.

Hell, you can have Goku & Vegeta show up at the end to clean up whatever's left, but for the love of god give the lesser characters something to do.

edited 22nd May '15 10:16:13 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17348: May 22nd 2015 at 10:17:32 PM

'course if your threat is as strong as Ginyu you've also got to come up with a way Piccolo or 18 can't kill it in one hit.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#17349: May 22nd 2015 at 10:22:45 PM

[up][up][up][up]Goku disappears for huge amounts of time every arc and the lesser characters do things. Vegeta does this too. It's only because these are movies instead of multi-episode arcs that Goku and Vegeta are getting so much time.

edited 22nd May '15 10:23:18 PM by Cruherrx

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17350: May 22nd 2015 at 11:00:47 PM

[up]x5 worse still, they weren't even the strongest when these movies started but got made that way and it looks like that will never change.

[up] temporary absence isn't enough. I am talking about their roles changing.


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