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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17276: May 21st 2015 at 10:16:21 PM

I think it was called Honor Trip or something like that, but I'm not sure.

I didn't really like it.

There's actually a fair chance to make Cell actually join the heroes with less... problematic baggage than, say, Vegeta. After all, Cell killed, what, ~600,000 people, I think?

Hardly a drop in the bucket next to the billions Vegeta has slaughtered.

edited 21st May '15 10:19:18 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#17278: May 21st 2015 at 10:22:49 PM

Anyway, all I'd really need to make Cell a 'hero' to the people is have him fight off invasions of people the Z fighters can't at present deal with.

I don't even need to have Good Feels Good affect him. He's Saiyan enough that the prospect of a good fight should entice him enough. I just have to emphasize the Saiyan in him and downplay the Freeza in him (which is the part of Cell that is an incredibly sore loser).

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#17279: May 21st 2015 at 10:29:55 PM

While I like Cell and Buu well enough, they seem rather outside-context to me relative to Pilaf-through-Frieza. With Frieza's defeat, the mystery of who Goku is and where he came from gets closure, after all.

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#17280: May 21st 2015 at 11:08:50 PM

If you make Cell a 'hero', the funny thing is he wouldn't be that different to Goku and Vegeta. Heck, I feel like those 3 would actually work really well together.

That's why I enjoy Cell (especially Perfect Cell) as a villain. He's their Evil Counterpart. He's EVERYONE'S Evil Counterpart. And yet he still managed to get a bit of personality.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#17281: May 21st 2015 at 11:20:04 PM

Cell would only work well with Goku and Vegeta if you downplay how much of a sore loser he is.

Cell could've been an awesome villain if he'd been a Spirited Competitor to the end, rather than the sore loser he wound up being.

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#17282: May 21st 2015 at 11:24:53 PM

That's really true. But I guess he wouldn't have Freeza in him if he didn't try to blow up the planet at SOME point.

Especially after Resurrection F. Freeza's tried to blow up the planet when he's sick of everything twice now!

edited 21st May '15 11:25:06 PM by LOLypop1224

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#17283: May 21st 2015 at 11:51:11 PM

He could've still threatened Earth without the need for a temper tantrum. Have him simply challenge Gohan to an all out Kamehameha duel.

Hell, the anime made it so that him becoming perfect caused worldwide disasters. Have him and Gohan fighting risk the planet's integrity, and have him not care in the least about it so long as he gets a fun fight. That's how you can make him still be evil, still be a villain who needs to be defeated, but not a sore loser so that he contrasts with the heroes, showing that despite having the selfishness that they do, they're still better than what they could be like.

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#17284: May 21st 2015 at 11:59:49 PM

Vegeta's a sore loser most of the time.

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#17285: May 22nd 2015 at 3:17:30 AM

HamburgerTime - That's not actually true. Broly creator did admit that Beerus is way more powerful, he was just really, really bitter about that.

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#17287: May 22nd 2015 at 4:47:52 AM

I look forward to hearing it. I also love that picture of Future Trunks.

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#17288: May 22nd 2015 at 5:22:14 AM

Cell is way stronger than Broly, no contest. Goku and Gohan weren't Full-Powered Super Saiyans against him for some reason.

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#17289: May 22nd 2015 at 6:18:32 AM

First, I'm surprised to see anyone in this thread, besides Broly's creator, think that Broly is stronger that Beerus.

Second, 18 is stronger that what level Vegeta was when they both fought.

Third, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku is stronger than 70% Beerus but we don't know by how much.

Fourth, there are multiple reasons why none of the movies really fit in the canon timeline except maybe Bojack Unbound and Wrath of the Dragon.

edited 22nd May '15 8:40:36 AM by VeryMelon

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#17290: May 22nd 2015 at 7:44:23 AM

Cell could've been an awesome villain if he'd been a Spirited Competitor to the end, rather than the sore loser he wound up being.

To be fair, about the only major villain who wasn't a sore loser in the series was Buu. Vegeta, Freeza, and Cell all tried to Rage Quit the second they got overpowered.

edited 22nd May '15 7:45:28 AM by Lionheart0

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#17291: May 22nd 2015 at 8:10:07 AM

[up][up] And even then, Wrath of the Dragon is confusing in its intent; it finally answers the longstanding question as to the origin of Trunks's sword with the wrong Trunks.

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#17292: May 22nd 2015 at 8:41:46 AM

Yeah, that's the major point against Wrath of the Dragon's canonical status.

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#17293: May 22nd 2015 at 8:51:58 AM

[up][up][up]Which is why it would've been cooler if Cell hadn't. We'd already seen that. Several times.

Also, people, don't be dumb. It doesn't take much tweaking to make them fit the manga timeline. The thing is, They Just Didn't Care when they made the movies.

edited 22nd May '15 8:52:57 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#17294: May 22nd 2015 at 9:23:35 AM

Perfect Cell was lacking in a suitable character motivation, so he took personality traits like "petty" and made those his motivation. The Cell Games were a cool concept, but it's hard to understand why the worst case scenario of that wasn't Cell going, "And I win! Good game, everybody! Alright, break for three months to train, then WE FIGHT AGAIN! This is so much fun!"

He threatens that he's going to destroy the universe after winning the Cell Games, but he never had a compelling reason to destroy the universe, and none of his component DNA characters provide one. Instead of blowing up the universe, I think it would have made more sense for Cell - and also tied back into the Myth Arc - for him to muse on taking the reigns of Frieza's stranglehold on the universe, now abandoned to a power vacuum.

edited 22nd May '15 9:24:08 AM by TobiasDrake

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#17295: May 22nd 2015 at 9:26:07 AM

Cell's worst case scenario should have been "Well... I'm the strongest. And I now have nobody left to fight. Bummer. Shit, I'll go collect the Dragon Balls and revive everyone because this is just too boring."

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#17296: May 22nd 2015 at 9:29:08 AM

I guess Cell was one of those "I'm perfect, and I have no need for inferior beings" guys. That never works out in the long run, dude. If your inferiors are all dead, there's nobody around to know that you've won.

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#17297: May 22nd 2015 at 9:30:43 AM

The only chance he really has at finding it is if the Supreme Kai picks him up. I mean, at some point he has to notice someone on the same level or superior to Dabura running around the universe looking for a non-fake Namek.

Given that Cell could kill both the Supreme Kai and Kibito, likely with his hands tied behind his back, I don't doubt they'd help him find New Namek.

edited 22nd May '15 9:31:43 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#17298: May 22nd 2015 at 9:33:41 AM

I find it interesting that Grand Kai is mentioned in the manga but never seen. Piccolo asks Shin if he's the Grand Kai, only for Kibito, without missing a beat, to correct him, causing Piccolo to have an even bigger Oh, Crap! than before.

This also implies Grand Kai is stronger than Super Namek Piccolo I guess.

edited 22nd May '15 9:35:20 AM by HamburgerTime

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#17299: May 22nd 2015 at 9:39:15 AM

It's hard to gauge how the Kais match up to Super Namek Piccolo. It's unclear how much of Piccolo's forfeiture was intimidation and how much was respect.

Like, if a guy entered a UFC tournament and was matched up against the Pope, there are plenty of people who could totally kick the Pope's ass in a fistfight, but would still withdraw because holy shit, I'm not going to beat up the goddamn Pope.

As a Super Namek, Piccolo has merged with God. He knows exactly what station a Kaioshin holds and has the presence of mind to respect that station.

edited 22nd May '15 9:40:23 AM by TobiasDrake

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#17300: May 22nd 2015 at 9:41:57 AM

The Daizenshuu 7 states that the Supreme Kai possesses strength "far superior to the Super Namekian Piccolo".

edited 22nd May '15 9:42:12 AM by VeryMelon


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