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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17201: May 21st 2015 at 10:51:02 AM

It's more fun to watch Vegeta get his teeth kicked in, though.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#17203: May 21st 2015 at 11:59:39 AM

How do ya think a console Butoden would be like if Arc System Works used their Xrd engine?

Imagine the beautiful and fast paced fights, and since it uses 3D models, it'll be easier to make in-game transformations instead of making 4 slots for 1 character.

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#17204: May 21st 2015 at 12:01:58 PM

It completely is. If anything obsoleted the humans, I think it's exactly that. Their main combat role before Namek was to get the shit beat out of them until Goku could save the day. Raditz kicking Krillin through a house, the Saibamen and Nappa methodically slaughtering the humans, etc. Even on Namek, Krillin and Gohan's main contribution to combat was getting effortlessly stomped by enemies that far outclassed them.

But none of them get stomped as lovingly and methodically as Vegeta tends to get. Nobody gets broken like Vegeta frequently is. If you want to have Android 18 reduce someone to a shattered mess of pain and failure, why break Piccolo or Tien when it's much more fun to watch Vegeta cry, wail, and scream in impotent fury - while 17 is swiftly dropkicking the rest of the cast, who go down in half the time with twice the dignity.

In combat, the supporting cast's job is to fail, and nobody is as fun to see broken and sobbing as Vegeta, because we like the others, so Vegeta got to have the act of being ripped apart in brutal and humiliating ways become his full-time job.

edited 21st May '15 12:04:04 PM by TobiasDrake

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#17205: May 21st 2015 at 12:15:18 PM

Oh, btw, here's some gameplay:

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#17207: May 21st 2015 at 12:27:32 PM

I think Tobias is take a little too much pleasure in that description.

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#17209: May 21st 2015 at 2:45:45 PM

Re: Vegeta quits when things get too hard.

No, not even close. With Frieza he didn't quit: he realized he can't win. And when it dawned on him it crushed him. Even while he's laying there, barely able to breathe, he's still defiant of Frieza and passing on killing the ladyman to Goku.

As for Final Explosion, that's not quitting. His goal was to kill Buu. He realized he couldn't do it and make it out alive, so he'd just blow himself up and do it.

Andoid 18: not only did she prove to be a stronger opponent (re: able to outlast him), but then she broke his arm and stomped on it until he passed out in pain. He was still trying to get up to fight.

I've had 19 years of Vegeta. I know his character. I got out of the "VEGETA IS SO BADASS AND PERFECT" phase when I was 14. I accept him for all his faults now, and being a quitter isn't one of them.

edited 21st May '15 2:46:59 PM by Cruherrx

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#17210: May 21st 2015 at 2:55:54 PM

I think I finally understand False Super Saiyan! I think it's a form of Kaioken that somehow accidentally tapped into the power of Super Saiyan prematurely. I mean, if squint at it, all FSSJ really looks like is a yellow Kaioken, so the reasoning could make sense.

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#17211: May 21st 2015 at 2:57:59 PM

Tobias I'm sorry but that is outright false. He didn't give up against 18, he kept getting up until he got knocked out. Extremely unfair to call that quitting.

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#17212: May 21st 2015 at 3:28:12 PM

I'm at work and don't have the manga with me at the moment; didn't he stop fighting after 18 broke his second arm?

Having both of your arms broken is a reasonable point to stop fighting, but I brought it up in comparison to Goku continuing to fight Piccolo with his limbs broken. If I'm misremembering and Vegeta actually kept right on going at 18 after his arms were broken, then never mind.

edited 21st May '15 3:28:37 PM by TobiasDrake

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#17213: May 21st 2015 at 3:28:43 PM

[up]The dude kept fighting with a fucking broken arm and it took having the other arm broken and passing out for him to stop. In what definition is that "rage quitting".

edited 21st May '15 3:29:02 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#17214: May 21st 2015 at 4:23:03 PM

He raged so hard his body quit on him?

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#17215: May 21st 2015 at 5:00:01 PM

Also, I call foul on saying the blow myself up move against Majin Buu was a ragequit.

It was a last ditch effort, not a ragequit. A ragequit would've been him saying "Fuck This" and flying away.

Or claiming he has to use the restroom.

edited 21st May '15 5:28:14 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#17216: May 21st 2015 at 5:46:02 PM

Like I said, he never quit, he just passed out which he couldn't control.

edited 21st May '15 5:46:21 PM by Saiga

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#17217: May 21st 2015 at 5:57:27 PM

Vegeta keeps fighting until he knows he's outmatched or when he is physically incapable of continuing the fight.

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#17218: May 21st 2015 at 6:05:56 PM

18 didn't actually seem all that much stronger than Super Vegeta to me, but her infinite stamina meant she could outlast him.

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#17219: May 21st 2015 at 6:12:46 PM

No, 17 and 18 were orders of magnitude stronger than Super Saiyan Vegeta who was at least a bit stronger than Super Saiyan Goku who was about as strong as Super Saiyan Future Trunks who could only hold off both Future Androids when they were going at about half.

edited 21st May '15 6:13:07 PM by Zelenal

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#17220: May 21st 2015 at 6:13:19 PM

Which brings me to Golden Bling Frieza.

IDK, maybe it's just me, but is the sudden power drain in his fight with God Goku a bit of a letdown for all of the hype his new power was getting?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#17221: May 21st 2015 at 6:16:43 PM

It only makes sense because that was the same problem he had back on Namek with his 100% Full Power form.

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#17222: May 21st 2015 at 6:32:54 PM

Android 18 was screwing around with Vegeta and still wrecked his shit. All the damage he ever did to her was cosmetic.

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#17223: May 21st 2015 at 6:36:09 PM

No, no. 18 and Vegeta were noted to be fairly even, but Vegeta's power was dropping like a brick while hers wasn't.

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#17224: May 21st 2015 at 6:37:18 PM

Noted by whom? I think you're confusing Vegeta vs 18 with Piccolo vs 17.

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#17225: May 21st 2015 at 6:40:34 PM

By the characters watching. Piccolo then tells them that Vegeta is rapidly losing ground because his energy is running out while 18 didn't seem fazed.

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