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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17077: May 20th 2015 at 10:38:45 AM

I don't think he got bored of them, honestly; it definitely seemed to me that they were just there to get Worfed to hype up the next threat.

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#17078: May 20th 2015 at 11:07:37 AM

It's possible. It's not like he's never done that before; Piccolo Daimao reduces Tien to an impotent bystander, Raditz makes a pit-stop to intimidate Piccolo on his way to Kame House, Nappa and Vegeta make a point of equating the Saibamen to Raditz, Vegeta suffers the Humiliation Conga multiple times on Namek.

Dabura even gets equated to Cell just in time for Majin Buu to roflstomp him. Unlike "He's more powerful than Majin Buu!" GT, Toriyama was fond of showing how obsolete the previous arc's villain was rather than just saying the new guy's tougher.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17079: May 20th 2015 at 11:08:24 AM

Vegeta suffers the Humiliation Conga multiple times on Namek.

Fixed that for ya.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17080: May 20th 2015 at 11:22:19 AM

[up][up] I don't really buy Dabura being as strong as Cell. Cell vs. Super Saiyan 9-year-old Gohan was pretty even. Dabura vs. Super Saiyan 16-year-old Gohan was also pretty even. 16-year-old Gohan was weaker than 9-year-old Gohan.

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#17081: May 20th 2015 at 11:49:09 AM

It works if Dabura is as strong as Perfect Cell.

Super Perfect Cell was roughly even with Super Saiyan 1 Gohan, which implies Perfect Cell was substantially weaker than even that.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#17082: May 20th 2015 at 11:51:29 AM

I thought Super Perfect Cell was stronger than SS Gohan but weaker than SS 2 Gohan?

edited 20th May '15 11:51:37 AM by Lionheart0

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#17084: May 20th 2015 at 12:00:02 PM

He was powerful enough to have a Beam Struggle with Gohan that Super Perfect Cell was slowly winning, but abruptly lost due to a distraction. This implies he was very close to Gohan in power.

Gohan, at the time, was Super Saiyan 2 - twice as powerful as Super Saiyan 1 - but only at 50% strength. Super Saiyan * 2 / 2 = Super Saiyan.

edited 20th May '15 12:00:17 PM by TobiasDrake

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#17085: May 20th 2015 at 12:02:15 PM

Also, for most of the struggle Gohan wasn't using his full power because he was afraid he'd damage the Earth.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#17087: May 20th 2015 at 12:07:54 PM

Never underestimate the Japanese Human cold.

Ah,i give up.

Ah,it worked.Thanks IANCE.You're creative enough.

edited 20th May '15 12:34:35 PM by alekos23

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17088: May 20th 2015 at 12:19:55 PM

Try it like this:

[[ComicallyMissingThePoint Never underestimate the power of the]] [[strike:[[ComicallyMissingThePoint Japanese]]]] [[ComicallyMissingThePoint Human cold]]. It should work like that, I think.

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#17089: May 20th 2015 at 12:26:46 PM

Gohan, at the time, was Super Saiyan 2 - twice as powerful as Super Saiyan 1 - but only at 50% strength. Super Saiyan * 2 / 2 = Super Saiyan.

I thought SSJ 2 was ten times as strong as SSJ.

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#17090: May 20th 2015 at 12:28:37 PM

...no. Not even Super Saiyan 3 is that strong.

Super Saiyan is a x50 multiplier. Super Saiyan 2 is x100, with Super Saiyan 3 at x400.

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#17091: May 20th 2015 at 12:34:33 PM

Then how did Gohan go from losing pretty badly against Cell to being able to easily overpower him?

It doesn't seem like a X2 boost would do that.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#17092: May 20th 2015 at 12:35:06 PM

He was equal.The anime simply overdid it a bit.

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#17093: May 20th 2015 at 12:36:06 PM

Before going SS 2 Gohan simply refused to fight and was just taking a beating. He threw like one kick and that messed up Cell pretty badly.

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#17094: May 20th 2015 at 12:39:42 PM

[up] That.

Gohan wasn't weaker than Perfect Cell. He was paralyzed by unwillingness. Android 16 broke through that and gave him the will to fight, while the android's death also kicked him into Super Saiyan 2 - which was complete and absolute overkill, and it showed as Cell was hilariously impotent against him.

Even after Cell came back Super Perfect from his zenkai, SS 2 Gohan still had to be nerfed 50% via taking a bullet for Vegeta in order to have the climactic Beam Struggle the battle is most remembered for.

edited 20th May '15 12:41:00 PM by TobiasDrake

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#17095: May 20th 2015 at 12:40:09 PM

Put simply: Gohan was always stronger than Cell.

By a wide enough margin that Cell wasn't really doing more than putting a couple of scratches on Gohan.

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#17096: May 20th 2015 at 12:43:55 PM

Maybe Gero should have put more of Gohan's DNA into Cell. :P

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#17097: May 20th 2015 at 1:05:24 PM

Nah, it wouldn't have worked. Gohan's talent isn't genetic.

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#17098: May 20th 2015 at 1:08:11 PM

Isn't it? I though it was because he's a hybrid.

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#17099: May 20th 2015 at 1:40:24 PM

[up]It is.

Re: King Cold. He may or may not have had other forms. Do remember that Friez is a mutant born of a mutant and created his forms to seal his power, and is stronger than Cold. For all we know, that first one is Cold's only form.

Re: Cell. I thought it was pretty obvious that Cell's survivability is due to Frieza (and maybe Cold). I remember making a post here about this in the first months of this thread, at least. Mostly about how great a writer Toriyama is for combining his concepts to create something like Cell.

Re: King Cold being wasted potetial. No, not really. Everything Cold could do was already done by Frieza and some characters only exist to further the plot. KC and Frieza were brought back purely to make Trunks seem strong and help to establish the Androids.

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#17100: May 20th 2015 at 1:57:26 PM

The main reason KC feels like an aborted plot thread is because he's a completely unnecessary character. Frieza was already firmly established to be the Strongest in the Universe as well as the ruler of the Galactic Trade. If Frieza went to Earth solely to get slaughtered effortlessly and establish how powerful Trunks is, he could have done that himself.

And he's not just some Mook either, he's Frieza's father. That's meaningful. It qualifies him for Important Character status by default. Why would Toriyama introduce a brand new character for the purpose of having him do absolutely nothing of consequence and then die pointlessly?

There's nothing impressive about Trunks killing Frieza's father, firmly established to be weaker than him, once he's already killed Frieza. If Toriyama never meant to do anything with him, why does this character exist?

edited 20th May '15 2:00:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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