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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17051: May 19th 2015 at 7:10:37 PM

Beams cancelling out doesn't run counter to the series - that actually does happen. The very first time two attacks connected, they did that (Goku vs Roshi).

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17052: May 19th 2015 at 7:15:00 PM

Weren't they at pretty much equal power when that happened, though?

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#17053: May 19th 2015 at 7:17:21 PM

Yes, but Nappa and Goku have also cancelled when they weren't at equal power.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17054: May 19th 2015 at 7:20:08 PM

Maybe they themselves weren't, but Goku knows how to modulate his power very, very well. He also pointed out that he fought Nappa with the amount of strength he needed to and not more. Goku likes a good fight, and if he must handicap himself to get it, he will.

It's entirely possible they cancelled out simply because their blasts were at a similar enough level that neither could push the other.

edited 19th May '15 7:20:40 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17055: May 19th 2015 at 7:23:57 PM

I don't think he was deliberately trying to cancel it.

Really we've only got two real struggles in the manga, to match two stalemates. Most of the times that they clash, one blast just outright blows back the other.

So you can't really act like cancels are the exception.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17056: May 19th 2015 at 7:27:36 PM

He doesn't need to be deliberately trying to cancel it.

Either way, we remember the struggles more because they were a lot more climactic.

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#17057: May 19th 2015 at 8:00:15 PM

[up][up] This is basically the point I was trying to make earlier about Goku VS Vegeta and Gohan VS Cell being a struggle rather than a clash.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#17058: May 19th 2015 at 10:26:04 PM

Iirc Burst Limit had a thing where having a beam struggle too close or "crossing the streams" caused a shockwave that blew both fighters back.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#17059: May 20th 2015 at 1:53:51 AM

Oy shit, I finally understand how Cell could survive being just a pair of legs after Goku's kamehameha!

It's a combination of Namekian and Changeling traits!

We all know about the regeneration from Piccolo's cells, but I just remembered that Frieza can survive being sliced up and pulled apart. First time the slicing happened, his tail came off and it was still moving on it's own. Second time, he somehow survived being sliced in half. Third time was being sliced into chunks by Trunks, he was somehow alive right before being blown up to smithereens, as confirmed by ROF.

Those traits combined with some other weird biology is what kept Cell alive!

edited 20th May '15 1:54:25 AM by Rinsankajugin

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#17061: May 20th 2015 at 7:27:11 AM

Yeah, I realized that myself a while back.

The ability of Frieza's clan to survive being in pieces, combined with Namekian regeneration, combined with Saiyan Zenkai's make Cell pretty fucking terrifying.

Throw in the Infinite Energy generators, and he's an absolute beast.

All he needed was a way to scale back his ego. He could have gone into hiding and trained to increase his power even more instead of immediately going back to fight Gohan and destroy the Earth.

Considering Gohan slacks off on his training for 7 years, Cell would have rofl-stomped him when he came back.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17062: May 20th 2015 at 7:32:59 AM

I feel like he could have used Kaioken with Zenkai and regeneration to get infinitely stronger.

I sorta love that idea.

Of course, Piccolo with Kaioken would have been a force to be reckoned with. He's a lot stronger than Frieza was originally. And stronger than Super Saiyan Goku when he first fought Frieza. And stronger than the androids stronger than Vegeta, stronger than Super Saiyan Goku when he first fought Frieza.

So like. If Vegeta was 200,000,000 before he trained in time chamber, and Piccolo, 17 and 18 were 250,000,000 after Piccolo fused with Kami, then after Piccolo trained in the time chamber he'd have been more than that. I guess.

But anyway.

Double that would probably be pretty strong.

Stronger than 50 times <120,000,000 maybe.

edited 20th May '15 7:37:26 AM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#17063: May 20th 2015 at 7:38:56 AM

........

Holy shit!

You're probably right. I mean, Goku eventually got strong enough to withstand higher levels of Kaiouken, but Cell's regenerative properties mean he could likely go even higher than Goku, and if it does start messing him up, he can regenerate to recover.

Though he probably can't regenerate as he fights. It's something that takes a few seconds even for him, but still.

He likely never thought of it for the same reason Goku stopped using Kaiouken after going Super Saiyan: he thought he didn't need it.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17064: May 20th 2015 at 7:41:55 AM

And Frieza's a resilient little bastard. His cells would help the bio-android push the Kaioken higher maybe.

And if it does get too much for him and he almost dies, that will just make his base power level rise.

I have officially broken the power level system.

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#17066: May 20th 2015 at 8:10:48 AM

Saiga can't be killed. His regeneration is strong. Even stronger than Majin Buu.

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#17067: May 20th 2015 at 8:17:37 AM

God help everyone if Cell achieves the Perfect Super Saiyan Perfect God Perfect Super Saiyan state.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#17068: May 20th 2015 at 8:35:37 AM

Amusingly,Cell would only need Kaioken times 4 to stomp/beat SSJ 2 Gohan.

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#17069: May 20th 2015 at 8:39:05 AM

Oh shit.

He'd easily be able to stand that level.

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#17070: May 20th 2015 at 8:51:30 AM

Oy shit, I finally understand how Cell could survive being just a pair of legs after Goku's kamehameha!

It's a combination of Namekian and Changeling traits!

We all know about the regeneration from Piccolo's cells, but I just remembered that Frieza can survive being sliced up and pulled apart. First time the slicing happened, his tail came off and it was still moving on it's own. Second time, he somehow survived being sliced in half. Third time was being sliced into chunks by Trunks, he was somehow alive right before being blown up to smithereens, as confirmed by ROF.

Those traits combined with some other weird biology is what kept Cell alive!

Y'know, that's a really good explanation for Cell's ability to recover from such immense damage. Frieza's survivability with Piccolo's regen.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17072: May 20th 2015 at 9:31:09 AM

The fun thing is: his Freeza cells also explain how Cell was able to regress to a weaker form to go back in time. After all, it's an explicit racial ability for Freeza.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17073: May 20th 2015 at 10:17:54 AM

I wonder if King Cold could transform? Like Dabura I think he's a character with a lot of potential to be interesting but who not much was done with.

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#17074: May 20th 2015 at 10:19:57 AM

Visually, King Cold appears to be in Second Form. This implies that he, like Frieza, is limited his power and his actual power is much greater. Even if so, however, his Full Power is pretty firmly established to be lower than Frieza's.

I agree that his potential as a character was wasted. He was foreshadowed in the fight with Frieza, then he showed up alongside Mecha-Frieza - who they made a point of establishing is even more powerful than Frieza was and will thus provide even more of a threat - and then Toriyama went, "Meh, bored with this," dropped a bridge on both of them, and did something completely different instead.

edited 20th May '15 10:23:43 AM by TobiasDrake

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#17075: May 20th 2015 at 10:32:56 AM

You could say Toriyama...

*puts on sunglasses*

... dropped the ball.

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