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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#16901: May 16th 2015 at 9:26:55 PM

Yeah. Improvments can happen.

Looks like a fairly immovable set of conclusions on this one. Probably best to call it here.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#16902: May 16th 2015 at 9:37:08 PM

Good idea.

So, think there are any other characters who could benefit from Old Kai's power awakening ceremony?

I mean, it's a longer version of Guru's hidden power awakening skill (which is weird, since you'd expect a Kai's version to be better, or at least faster, since it likely is better), so Krillin might not get anything out of it, but others might if they still have any hidden power to bring out.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#16903: May 16th 2015 at 9:40:56 PM

Tien

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#16904: May 16th 2015 at 9:42:13 PM

If taking Guru's powerup disallowed you from getting power from Old Kai's... ritual, then it wouldn't have worked on Gohan.

D'you think Dende or Whatshisface on New Namek could do the potential unlock to other people?

edited 16th May '15 9:42:39 PM by Enlong

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16905: May 16th 2015 at 9:44:55 PM

[up][up][up][up] I know they can happen, but I'm just saying it's easier said than done. Grade III wasn't salvageable, so it's not like anything can be improved if you just try.

So until the Kienzan is improved, we can't do anything but speculate on its potential.

[up] Unlike Gohan, Kuririn could have potentially had all his potential unlocked the first time since he was older/doesn't have as much dormant power.

I'd like to think that's not his peak though.

edited 16th May '15 9:46:11 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#16906: May 16th 2015 at 9:45:12 PM

[up]

Not really.

Gohan just had much more hidden power, and Guru couldn't get all of it out.

It makes sense considering how many Super Saiyan transformations there are. They have a shitload of potential, it's just a matter of bringing it out in a form that's viable.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#16907: May 16th 2015 at 9:46:55 PM

You can't really compare Mystic Gohan to the Super Saiyan transformations. The later are multipliers while the former is more like addition.

Could Gohan still use Super Saiyan after that?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16908: May 16th 2015 at 9:47:39 PM

Why would you think Mystic Gohan is like addition?

And no, he can't, or he would have done so. The whole point of Mystic Gohan is to use his power without transforming.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#16909: May 16th 2015 at 9:48:30 PM

Up until Revival of F fucks that up that is.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#16910: May 16th 2015 at 9:49:39 PM

Well, that's how we understood it until Resurrection of F happened.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16911: May 16th 2015 at 9:49:51 PM

Count me as another who'd like to see Mystic Krillin.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#16912: May 16th 2015 at 9:52:44 PM

[up]x4 Well, it could be a multiple but Mystic Gohan should be more like Piccolo's fusions rather than the temporary Super Saiyan. I was just making a difference since the multiplication is often associated with temporary power boosts.

Why can't Mystic Gohan use Super Saiyan?

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#16913: May 16th 2015 at 9:57:00 PM

of course, it's possible that him not using Super saiyan with it isn't because he can't, but because he chose not to.

either because Buu wasn't worth it (unlikely, as they were trying to fuse to beat him before Gotenks divided inside him), or because combining the two was too much for him to handle at the time, similar to how people say Goku wouldn't be able to handle using Super Saiyan and Kaioken at the same time.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#16914: May 16th 2015 at 9:58:32 PM

Grade III can be improved upon just like every other form, you simply get used to the form. Goku did the same thing with Super Saiyan, he was doing the same thing with 3 by the time of Battle of Gods, you can do it with the Graded forms. Grade III had about as much of an energy drain as Super Saiyan 3 did, and Goku partially had the drain minimized by the time of Battle of Gods, and the muscle mass thing isn't a disadvantage since a) it doesn't decrease speed, you simply don't get any from Grade II, and b) they could train to get used to it just like they can train to get used to 500 times the gravity of Earth, which would be placing several thousand tons on their entire bodies anyways. Really, there is simply nothing stopping them from improving the form besides the fact that they gave up too quickly on the damn thing, and absolutely nothing that can be said will change my mind on this.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#16915: May 16th 2015 at 10:19:57 PM

Well, I'm sure Goten and Trunks could benefit a lot from the Elder Kai's ritual. I mean, at least genetically, they could be as strong as Gohan even without fusing. Unless Gohan is just predetermined to be the strongest of the hybrids due to his Beware the Nice Ones power.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16916: May 16th 2015 at 10:25:45 PM

Happy Piccolo day!

In which all of Piccolo's friends are insensitive dicks.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#16917: May 16th 2015 at 10:35:29 PM

Ouch.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16918: May 16th 2015 at 10:52:29 PM

Why do Goku and Piccolo become friends again?

I mean, the whole "I killed your dad" thing wouldn't have just stopped being an issue.

Bit weird that they end up driving cars together.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#16919: May 16th 2015 at 10:53:36 PM

Probably has something to do with Gohan.

Also, deja mustard vu.

edited 16th May '15 10:53:48 PM by BaconManiac5000

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#16920: May 16th 2015 at 10:56:07 PM

They had a mutual enemy in the form of Raditz then Vegeta and Nappa were on their way so he took Gohan off to train. He underwent character development because of Gohan and became a much nicer guy. Then they had the whole Freeza business and then, when Goku got back, they had to start training for the Androids and then Goku was dead for seven years.

Also, Piccolo already got his revenge when he killed Goku.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#16921: May 16th 2015 at 11:32:24 PM

Basically Fire-Forged Friends,

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#16922: May 17th 2015 at 1:09:35 AM

I know this was a few pages ago but

In fact, the theory of evolution dictates that the one best suited to its environment survives. As simple as that. The strongest doesn't win. The best wins. And the best is not necessarily strongest.

"Strongest" in the context of evolution doesn't mean "can lift the heaviest weights or throw the hardest punches", it means "best overall", like you corrected it to. Just thought I should point that out.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#16923: May 17th 2015 at 3:38:58 AM

Also, their shared love for cars.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16924: May 17th 2015 at 5:57:33 AM

[up][up] I mean, evolution is ultimately about adapting to survive your surroundings and circumstances.

All sorts of organisms have their own ecological niche that they've adapted to fit into.

On the subject of the Destructo Disk, 18 could use it as a sneak attack. Nobody'd be able to sense her.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#16925: May 17th 2015 at 7:55:03 AM

Well, not really, because it still makes noise.

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