Or, similar to Vegeta, he has no idea how to train effectively. Think about it, for all the training Vegeta does, it's the equivalent of just lifting weights. He never learns any new techniques or learns about any sort of martial art, his entire basis is "I was the strongest before, and everything worked. I'll just be the strongest again, change nothing, and everything will be fine."
My various fanfics.Freeza doesn't know how strong Goku actually is. He's probably gotten stronger, but there's a 30,000,000 gap between him and Goku, and Freeza probably thinks it's much, much smaller than that, and that the cybernetics could bridge it.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariNo, it was stupidity. Frieza doesn't know how power levels work. Frieza doesn't know what energy is.
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The Big Bang Attack and Final Flash say "Hi."
edited 15th May '15 11:05:47 PM by Zelenal
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Oh, you mean "Big dumb laser" and "big dumb laser"? Two moves he uses once and then never again, because why bother, everyone got to see how huge my laser penis is?
Saying those are new techniques is like saying "punching someone" is different from "punching someone way harder."
edited 15th May '15 11:09:42 PM by SonOfSharknado
My various fanfics.The Big Bang Attack is not a laser. Hell, none of the beam attacks qualify as light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation.
As for the Final Flash, if you're going to say that then you might as well call all of the beam attacks "big dumb lasers."
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Final Flash still remains one of the most impressive attacks in the series.
Also, the new version he used on that DBH combo with Goku and Bills is incredibly cool looking. It looks like he's using a Gallick Gun in one of his hands.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariWell, yes. Which is why beam attacks utilized in ways other than lasers connote actual skill, like the Hellzone Grenade, Kienzan, Spirit Ball, or Hell, even just the stuff Goku does on a regular basis. Whether it's tricking Frieza, shooting a Kamehameha out of his feet, or using the Kamehameha to turn his crippled body into a missile, the man is an innovative genius.
EDIT: Which is not to say Final Flash isn't cool. It's cool as shit. But it also doesn't take a great amount of skill. Hell, he basically does the same move to Recoome like three years earlier on Namek, and it's about as effective. Just smaller.
edited 15th May '15 11:28:59 PM by SonOfSharknado
My various fanfics.None of which are beam attacks. They're ki attacks but not beam
attacks.
Most of the new attacks people learn are fucking useless. Hellzone Grenade is, logically, a downright shitty technique. Vegeta knows the Kienzan anyway, but he doesn't use it because it's an awful technique that actually disappointed Goku. In fact, Vegeta's probably the best user of it since he used it to cut off Gohan's tail while Kuririn hasn't done shit with it. Spirit Ball.. hah!
Straight beam attacks are Boring, but Practical. Almost none of the innovative moves are actually worth anything.
When did the Kienzan disappoint Goku? I mean, it seems like a really powerful attack since it could have easily killed Nappa despite him being about 3x Krillin and it likely could have cut 2nd Form Freeza in half despite him being many times Krillin.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!When Freeza uses it, complete with homing:
Context: after Goku dodges his homing blast
Freeza: “An afterimage, huh?...You’re pretty good, aint’cha?...”
Goku: “Like I thought, I don’t have any desire to fight you as you are now…With you pinning your hopes on a worthless technique like that…If you really want to settle the score with me, recover your stamina and polish your skills.”
Freeza: “Yo-you’re calling my technique worthless?...Well then, how about two of them?!”
Um, no I don't, and I'm really sick of people jumping ahead to assuming I hate something when I point out how the story portrays something.
edited 15th May '15 11:49:11 PM by Saiga
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Saiga hates assumptions.
And people.
edited 15th May '15 11:50:44 PM by Zelenal
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Hellzone Grenade and the Kienzan are pretty cool, even if they're not all that practical. At the very least, they both have the advantage of being somewhat unexpected techniques that can catch the foe off-guard, and in the few cases of their use that's exactly what they do (To limited effect, granted, but that's not the techniques' fault).
It kinda reminds me of the conversation from Metal Gear Rising about Sundowner's ridiculous scissor blades. It might catch a foe off guard by sheer virtue of being such a gimmicky and unexpected novelty, but in a prolonged battle it's simply less practical than swinging the blades around separately (Or in DBZ's case, good ol' lazer beams).
Not gonna bother talking about the Spirit Ball though.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!The problem with the novelty win is that the natural reaction to them would defeat them. Like the Kienzan - even if you don't know what it does, dodging it would still be the first thing you'd do. Especially when the technique is easy to dodge. Hell, Kuririn actually has a technique that's based on the idea of the opponent dodging it - that is genuinely skillful and can take someone by surprise.
Hellzone Grenade only works if your opponent stays still. Which kind of sucks, because the whole point of the move is to prevent your opponent from escaping to begin with. It defeats its own purpose with that requirement.
Sokidan's just hilarious, though, the way Yamcha used it. Take advantage of the direction manipulation to get multiple hits from one attack, like in the games? Nah, just have it hit once and do fuck all damage. That could just be a case where the user fails rather than the technique being poor, but then you'd have to assume it's possible to get multiple hits out of it without dissipating.
edited 16th May '15 12:05:04 AM by Saiga
Hmm... perhaps if Krillin first peppered someone with larger but incredibly weak energy blasts to make them think that's all he's capable of, then when they're charging at him throw a Kienzan? Then the opponent would assume it's as weak or weaker than the other blasts and simply assume they can tank it head-on?
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Do note that he would have killed Nappa had Vegeta not been smart enough to tell Nappa to dodge it.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!'Cause that still requires the opponent to do nothing while he prepares that.
Because Nappa was being careless. It's simply not a good idea to rely on a technique that will only work in that condition.
One way the technique might be effective is against an opponent locked in a beam struggle who won't be able to escape. But as the Gohan vs Cell showed, a simple ki attack would suffice there anyway.
edited 16th May '15 12:11:02 AM by Saiga

Ya know, why hasn't Frieza tried rising his stamina instead of just going as a full-on energy powerhouse? No matter how powerful he gets, he goes down like a pickle in a washing machine.
It's like he wants to get killed or something...
edited 15th May '15 10:45:14 PM by Rinsankajugin