I think it's ambiguous the way Toriyama says it.
King Kai puts it all on the Saiyans, but he also thinks the planet got destroyed by a meteorite when he tells the story.
Raichi and Baby are biased.
I think we can say that the Saiyans won. That King Vegeta started the war.
But there's an indeterminate length of time between "Saiyans arrive on Planet Plant" and "Vegeta Sr. begins the attack". We don't know the exact dates for either of those events.
There's no indication that the Saiyans raided a lot inbetween that time. Maybe some tribes did, maybe some tribes didn't.
edited 15th May '15 8:41:48 PM by unnoun
I think if the Saiyans and Tuffles had managed to end up working together, then the universe could have been fucked seven ways to sunday.
That's a neat scenario in my mind.
EDIT: Oh, apparently my idea was in Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans.
According to Raichi, the Tuffles welcomed the Saiyans with open arms as equals. According to Vegeta (Vegeta II. Prince Vegeta. Our Vegeta. Not his dad.) the Tuffles treated the Saiyans like slaves.
I think that's a fascinating story. Potentially.
I mean, originally when King Kai told the story the Tuffles allowed the Saiyans to settle. The problem started when the numbers of the Saiyans started to grow.
edited 15th May '15 8:45:57 PM by unnoun
So, wait.
So the Saiyans won their freedom, got a new homeworld and shiny tech, worked for a dude who basically enslaved them so they could roam the stars and kill people, and were then genocide'd, all within a generation? Christ.
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That would be awesome. Possibly related, a friend of mine says a buddy of his whose taking animating classes is working on remaking the Namke saga with Bardock and King Vegeta replacing their sons while making Gohan into Kid Goku. And leaving Krillin alone.
edited 15th May '15 8:48:00 PM by Raven666
What started out as a pleasant afternoon of drugs and surgery has not gone as planned.The Tuffles lived in fertile areas and cities, the Saiyans lived in badlands and wastes.
It writes itself.
So the Saiyans won their freedom, got a new homeworld and shiny tech, worked for a dude who basically enslaved them so they could roam the stars and kill people, and were then genocide'd, all within a generation? Christ.
We don't know how long a Saiyan generation is, or how old Vegeta I is. When in his lifespan he had his son.
I mean, Saiyans stay in fighting shape for a long time.
edited 15th May '15 8:48:55 PM by unnoun
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No they don't. Most get themselves killed in Planet Vegeta Shattering Kabooms.
edited 15th May '15 8:54:39 PM by TheAirman
PSN ID: FateSeraph | Switch friendcode: SW-0145-8835-0610 Congratulations! She/TheyRaditz and our Vegeta were fairly youngish when Frieza blew everything else up. According to Minus.
I think Vegeta Sr. might have sired his eldest son at a very advanced age. And not shown it because Saiyan aging is crazy.
I think Nappa might have been old too, what with losing his hair. The stress of having to deal with Raditz and Vegeta's shit probably didn't help.

Filler that gets brought up a lot.
Toriyama said they were the original inhabitants of Planet Vegeta and invented Scouters. And got wiped out by the Saiyans.
See, I remember it as being that the Saiyans and Tuffles just sorta shared the planet for a bit, with the Saiyans in tribes, until King Vegeta united the tribes and started a war. Then the Tuffles were able to keep the Saiyans at bay with technology, but then the full moon happened every 8 years.
edited 15th May '15 8:34:58 PM by unnoun