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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16751: May 15th 2015 at 8:33:35 PM

Filler that gets brought up a lot.

Toriyama said they were the original inhabitants of Planet Vegeta and invented Scouters. And got wiped out by the Saiyans.

The story was that the Saiyans routinely attacked the Tuffles only to be kept at bay by their superior technology. The only thing that kept them from wiping them out sooner was that the full moon only happened once every 300 years on the planet. So, yeah, it was all on the Saiyans, no class thing or anything, they just wanted the planet for themselves.

See, I remember it as being that the Saiyans and Tuffles just sorta shared the planet for a bit, with the Saiyans in tribes, until King Vegeta united the tribes and started a war. Then the Tuffles were able to keep the Saiyans at bay with technology, but then the full moon happened every 8 years.

edited 15th May '15 8:34:58 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16753: May 15th 2015 at 8:36:48 PM

[up][up]I may have gotten the year of the full moon right, but the rest is basically the same isn't it? Nothing about the Tuffles provoking the Saiyans.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16754: May 15th 2015 at 8:38:42 PM

[up][up] Yo.

[up] I think it's ambiguous the way Toriyama says it.

King Kai puts it all on the Saiyans, but he also thinks the planet got destroyed by a meteorite when he tells the story.

Raichi and Baby are biased.

I think we can say that the Saiyans won. That King Vegeta started the war.

But there's an indeterminate length of time between "Saiyans arrive on Planet Plant" and "Vegeta Sr. begins the attack". We don't know the exact dates for either of those events.

There's no indication that the Saiyans raided a lot inbetween that time. Maybe some tribes did, maybe some tribes didn't.

edited 15th May '15 8:41:48 PM by unnoun

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#16755: May 15th 2015 at 8:38:51 PM

Toriyama created them and gave the anime staff the memo that they used to create that filler. So the basic idea is kept by him.

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#16757: May 15th 2015 at 8:42:57 PM

Normally when I go to that site, it's for more Sexy reasons.

Just noticed this had "safe" in the name, not "dan." Guess they're different sites or something.

edited 15th May '15 8:45:46 PM by Raven666

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16758: May 15th 2015 at 8:45:01 PM

I think if the Saiyans and Tuffles had managed to end up working together, then the universe could have been fucked seven ways to sunday.

That's a neat scenario in my mind.

EDIT: Oh, apparently my idea was in Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans.

According to Raichi, the Tuffles welcomed the Saiyans with open arms as equals. According to Vegeta (Vegeta II. Prince Vegeta. Our Vegeta. Not his dad.) the Tuffles treated the Saiyans like slaves.

I think that's a fascinating story. Potentially.

I mean, originally when King Kai told the story the Tuffles allowed the Saiyans to settle. The problem started when the numbers of the Saiyans started to grow.

edited 15th May '15 8:45:57 PM by unnoun

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#16759: May 15th 2015 at 8:45:39 PM

If only Japan would stop being panderific and give us a fucking King Vegeta movie.

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#16760: May 15th 2015 at 8:46:42 PM

So, wait.

So the Saiyans won their freedom, got a new homeworld and shiny tech, worked for a dude who basically enslaved them so they could roam the stars and kill people, and were then genocide'd, all within a generation? Christ.

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#16761: May 15th 2015 at 8:47:33 PM

[up][up]That would be awesome. Possibly related, a friend of mine says a buddy of his whose taking animating classes is working on remaking the Namke saga with Bardock and King Vegeta replacing their sons while making Gohan into Kid Goku. And leaving Krillin alone.

edited 15th May '15 8:48:00 PM by Raven666

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16762: May 15th 2015 at 8:47:52 PM

The Tuffles lived in fertile areas and cities, the Saiyans lived in badlands and wastes.

It writes itself.

So, wait.

So the Saiyans won their freedom, got a new homeworld and shiny tech, worked for a dude who basically enslaved them so they could roam the stars and kill people, and were then genocide'd, all within a generation? Christ.

We don't know how long a Saiyan generation is, or how old Vegeta I is. When in his lifespan he had his son.

I mean, Saiyans stay in fighting shape for a long time.

edited 15th May '15 8:48:55 PM by unnoun

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#16763: May 15th 2015 at 8:48:23 PM

[up][up] What would be the point of that?

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#16764: May 15th 2015 at 8:49:53 PM

Maybe it'd be awesome. I dunno. I just thought someone here might find that info interesting.

edited 15th May '15 8:50:19 PM by Raven666

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16765: May 15th 2015 at 8:51:20 PM

IIRC, Saiyans can live longer than humans, but most don't since they get themselves killed in battle.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16766: May 15th 2015 at 8:52:45 PM

Vegeta was 29 when he first came to Earth.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16767: May 15th 2015 at 8:52:50 PM

And there could have been a thousand generations between the Saiyans arriving on the planet and them taking it over.

It doesn't say.

It doesn't say how old King Vegeta was when he did it.

edited 15th May '15 8:54:06 PM by unnoun

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#16768: May 15th 2015 at 8:54:00 PM

Raditz isn't wasted potential. The whole point of his character is Goku is a Saiyan, but holds no camaraderie with his people. I for one am glad that the older brother of the main character in a shonen anime is a weak piece of shit.

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#16769: May 15th 2015 at 8:54:07 PM

[up][up][up][up]No they don't. Most get themselves killed in Planet Vegeta Shattering Kabooms.

edited 15th May '15 8:54:39 PM by TheAirman

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16770: May 15th 2015 at 8:58:50 PM

Raditz and our Vegeta were fairly youngish when Frieza blew everything else up. According to Minus.

I think Vegeta Sr. might have sired his eldest son at a very advanced age. And not shown it because Saiyan aging is crazy.

I think Nappa might have been old too, what with losing his hair. The stress of having to deal with Raditz and Vegeta's shit probably didn't help.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16771: May 15th 2015 at 9:01:17 PM

Nappa was in his fifties, I think.

By the way, unnoun, you're a biology professor who likes DB? Cool.

edited 15th May '15 9:04:22 PM by HamburgerTime

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#16772: May 15th 2015 at 9:04:36 PM

Actually, Saiyans have the same average life-span as humans, they just age slower and stay in their prime longer.

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#16773: May 15th 2015 at 9:39:35 PM

So according to the Daizenshuu, due to the fact that he uses Body Change so much, it's possible we've never actually seen Ginyu's original form. That's certainly interesting.

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#16774: May 15th 2015 at 9:48:23 PM

... I thought it was pretty obvious once Ginyu revealed the ability that he was not in his original body.

IIRC, isn't he supposta be the same race as Jeice originally?

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#16775: May 15th 2015 at 9:49:17 PM

Also sensible. Considering how willing he is to murder his old body while stealing Goku's, it's fair to assume he didn't have any attachment to it and has likely done it before.

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