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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#16676: May 14th 2015 at 9:07:38 PM

I prefer to think that Super Saiyan God is addictive because Goku wants to look fabulous.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#16677: May 14th 2015 at 9:08:32 PM

Also, Kaio-ken x100 was most likely just repeated in Goku's Super Kaio-ken.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16678: May 14th 2015 at 9:10:04 PM

By the way, here's an interesting thing I used to believe about DB when I was a kid. Back in grade school I was an avid collector of action figures, and I also watched DBZ. Now, the early DB toyline was interesting because a number of characters in it hadn't actually appeared in the dub yet, so the end result of this is that I knew about Cell and Buu while the dub was still in the Ginyu Arc.

Now, even at that age I understood that the show came from Japan, and that these were villains that would show up later. However, I very, very incorrectly guessed that Frieza would remain the main villain for the entire show, and that once the Ginyus were dealt with he'd keep siccing stronger and stronger minions at the heroes, like Cell and Buu. Weird, huh?

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#16679: May 14th 2015 at 9:11:17 PM

...I actually want to see how that would have played out.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#16680: May 14th 2015 at 9:12:37 PM

Kaiou-ken x100? That- That's on par with Super Saiyan 2....

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#16681: May 14th 2015 at 9:14:03 PM

It was only mentioned in the movie pamphlets for the Lord Slug movie, even though Goku only says "Kaio-ken" when he uses it against Slug.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#16682: May 14th 2015 at 9:17:26 PM

Goku would probably be flying paste if he tried to use a Kaioken that big.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#16683: May 14th 2015 at 9:19:42 PM

Considering what combining the Kaio-ken with Super Saiyan did to his dead body in his fight with Pikkon, using the Kaio-ken with any of the Super Saiyan forms while alive would probably kill him out right.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#16684: May 14th 2015 at 11:06:32 PM

If Slug and Pikkon are gonna be in the next game, they should give Goku (and CAC's) Kaioken x100 and Super Kaioken. tongue

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#16685: May 14th 2015 at 11:08:24 PM

It should be really easy to make a transformation that drains both Ki and Stamina at the same time.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#16686: May 14th 2015 at 11:09:54 PM

The drain would suck, but the power boost would be worth it gaming wise. KKx100 as an ultimate transformation would go to all races while Super Kaioken would be Saiyan exclusive.

edited 14th May '15 11:11:32 PM by Rinsankajugin

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16687: May 14th 2015 at 11:12:37 PM

I want a Fun Size Majin. It'd be adowable.

Probably eat me out of house and home, then eat my house, though.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#16688: May 14th 2015 at 11:15:55 PM

Dumplin is a fun-sized apocalypse. tongue

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#16689: May 14th 2015 at 11:19:53 PM

[up][up]If it's obedient, you can use it to conquer the world so that you don't have economic problems.

Or just rob Fort Knox. The price of gold is gonna go way up after you do it.

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#16690: May 15th 2015 at 1:16:14 AM

If I remember correctly, Goku power as Super Sayian 3 was 24 billion.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#16691: May 15th 2015 at 1:20:00 AM

I do not know where you got that number but that puts his base at 60 million or about half of 100% Freeza. Seems possible.

EDIT: So apparently the second Daizenshuu stated that Freeza's dormant power is immeasurable. Huh.

edited 15th May '15 1:28:34 AM by Zelenal

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16692: May 15th 2015 at 5:01:55 AM

[up][up] You might be remembering the fake V-Jump scan that had a bunch of post-Freeza battle powers on it, including 24 billion for SS3 Goku.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#16693: May 15th 2015 at 6:13:42 AM

That was fake? Awww man, and I thought they were good!

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16694: May 15th 2015 at 7:58:14 AM

Still had it on my old computer. So was this the one?

I really liked the layout they used, and the powers were pretty good, but they also had a few mistakes. Stuff like Cell Games Goku being equal to Boo arc Goku and stronger than Cell Games Gohan, or given guidebook numbers to the wrong versions of the characters.

Nearly all of the Saiyan - Namek figures come from official sources, although they're misapplied in some instances like giving Saiyan arc Goku 910 when the manga gives him 924 (and 910 being the number for his 23rd Budokai self).

They got Goku's 24 billion from equatin 1 kiri to 100,000 BP. So Yakon at 800 kiri becomes 800,000,000 and Super Saiyan Goku at 3,000 kiri becomes 3 billion. I used to look at it the same way, but I feel like kiri isn't actually a linear match for BP due to Yakon definitely not seeming more than 5x as strong as base Goku - Goku has no trouble handling him without Super Saiyan, and Gohan thinks he and Goku could defeat Yakon in base by working together (without knowing Goku's real strength). So I think Yakon is stronger than base Gohan, but weaker than base Goku, and kiri isn't linear.

60 million for base Goku made earlier arcs a bit cramped for me. I now settle on 80 million, which seems to be the most common placement I've seen for him.

I want to do chart in a similar format to list, though. It's well edited and looks quite good.

edited 15th May '15 8:04:08 AM by Saiga

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16696: May 15th 2015 at 8:30:45 AM

...Vegeta was weaker as a great ape than he was at the start of the fight?

I mean, what the hell is up with that Oozaru with a power of 10000?

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#16697: May 15th 2015 at 8:43:55 AM

Vegeta sacrificed some of his power to create that energy ball and induce the Oozaru transformation. Exactly how much is unknown.

Dropping from 18,000 to 1,000 before transforming is excessive, however.

EDIT: Wait, that Oozaru doesn't have Saiyan armor. I think that's Gohan.

edited 15th May '15 8:45:29 AM by TobiasDrake

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#16698: May 15th 2015 at 12:00:26 PM

Goku/Vegeta/Beerus Godly Team Attack:

It destroys Galaxies.

edited 15th May '15 12:02:13 PM by Rinsankajugin

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#16700: May 15th 2015 at 12:05:25 PM

@Saiga, yeah, that's the one. And now that I looked at it again, it does have some things I disagree with as well.

[up][up]Great job guys, you killed Cell. And only destroyed a single galaxy while doing so!

edited 15th May '15 12:05:38 PM by Shlugo_the_great


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