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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16601: May 13th 2015 at 6:09:34 PM

The same article that said Yajirobe reached 900+ also said Popo was stronger than Kami, which I also don't think is right, but I could be mistaken.

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#16603: May 13th 2015 at 7:07:01 PM

I'd say it's more official than the Daizenshu considering Shonen Jump is a magazine Toriyama wrote for.

I mean, the introduction for the Daizenshuu by Toriyama says that Toriyama couldn't remember most of those details, and could never have remembered those details himself, and that the staff that wrote the Daizenshuu books are great for being able to piece all of it together.

But: the thing with fiction is that it's fiction. No story setting has rules but that which are in the author's mind. There's no such thing as atheistic fiction. There's always a god.

The daizenshuus do a good job at piecing stuff together but Toriyama could write a thing next week that would throw them all out the window. They're very much a self-defeating sort of thing.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16604: May 13th 2015 at 7:09:40 PM

[up][up] Interesting. At least in the translation I read, Popo said he was weaker than Kami, and that Kami could've easily killed Piccolo were it not for the fact that he'd die too.

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#16606: May 13th 2015 at 7:17:11 PM

[up][up]Popo was the one training with the "Z-Warriors" on the Lookout while Kami oversaw. Stands to reason his power level would rise higher than Kami's.

edited 13th May '15 7:17:45 PM by Cruherrx

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cake25 Since: May, 2013
#16607: May 13th 2015 at 7:23:52 PM

[up]x12 It doesn't help Chi-Chi's case that she showed no sympathy towards Goku and his injuries, basically blaming him for Gohan being in danger despite the fact that it was Piccolo who put him into that position in the first place (Especially since she even acknowledged that Piccolo kidnapped him).

When I first saw that moment, I was very shocked because while Chi-Chi was always mean to Goku, I would never think she would act like that. While I do agree with the criticism Chi-chi gets for that moment, people use it to define her whole character, despite this never happening again. Had Chi-chi done this many times, the backlash would be justified.

This is just like the whole "Goku giving Cell a senzu bean" incident defining Goku's character when it comes to debates on whether he's a good hero or not.

I mean, ultimately every "heroic" character in this series is flawed at best and often and frequently selfish at. Well. Not worst. At worst they'd be unrepentant genocidal maniacs. See also: Mr. Buu, Vegeta and Piccolo.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16608: May 13th 2015 at 7:30:48 PM

An interesting tidbit is that Nappa is the only one who actually kills anyone once he and Vegeta come to Earth. A sign that Vegeta was intended to be more sympathetic from the beginning?

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#16609: May 13th 2015 at 7:33:12 PM

Not really, considering he murders his crippled friend for being crippled, tries to destroy the Earth when he doesn't get his way, sadistically tortures Goku, slaughters innocent people on Namek, and still fully intended to murder Gohan and Krillin when they no longer suited his needs.

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#16610: May 13th 2015 at 7:33:49 PM

[up][up] Not for a like of trying, mind you.

edited 13th May '15 7:33:56 PM by Zelenal

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#16611: May 13th 2015 at 7:35:53 PM

The way I remember it Vegeta was originally intended to die there but became much more popular than expected.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16612: May 13th 2015 at 7:41:50 PM

I mean, Vegeta was extremely cruel to the Saibamen and Nappa and, when Nappa suggests wishing Raditz back, he's a bit taken aback by how callous Vegeta is when he decides not to because Raditz was weak.

Vegeta was cruel and sadistic and monstrous even by Saiyan standards.

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#16613: May 13th 2015 at 8:00:31 PM

I think Vegeta was a good representation of how humans should act. Quickly now! Renounce your former ways and embrace the actions of our Lord, The Prince of the Saiyans, Vegeta! Or something inspiring that makes everyone want to listen to me!

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#16614: May 13th 2015 at 8:12:28 PM

Vegeta also attempted to blow up the Earth with his Galick Gun despite the fact that Vegeta was presently on Earth at the time. Unlike Frieza, he would not survive the vacuum of space. This was his B Plan. The Oozaru was his C Plan.

So pointlessly Stupid Evil was Vegeta that he would rather commit suicide to kill Goku's planet out of spite than fall back on a racial ability Saiyans use all the time for this exact purpose.

edited 13th May '15 8:12:47 PM by TobiasDrake

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16615: May 13th 2015 at 8:16:36 PM

No, he goaded Goku into taking the blast. "Dodge this and your planet dies"

Also Vegeta wasn't spared because popularity, that's yet another fan rumour. Instead, Toriyama killed him specifically because fans said not to.

edited 13th May '15 8:18:29 PM by Saiga

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#16616: May 13th 2015 at 8:19:12 PM

Though for the record, if Goku was killed by it, wouldn't it still destroy the earth.

Then again, he pulled the same trick years later with Cell, and he showed he did know what he was doing in that instance.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16617: May 13th 2015 at 8:20:54 PM

Not necessarily, because Goku's body would take the brunt of the blast. Vegeta says he needs to use his own body to protect the Earth.

But yeah, even then there is simply beam manipulation.

edited 13th May '15 8:33:59 PM by Saiga

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#16619: May 13th 2015 at 8:33:22 PM

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? One person wonders if Vegeta might've been intended to be sympathetic early on, and it's pointed out by multiple people that he was a bastard.

edited 13th May '15 8:33:37 PM by Saiga

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16620: May 13th 2015 at 8:36:32 PM

I guess you're right. I just thought it was interesting that in their initial appearance, all the destruction was basically on Nappa.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16622: May 13th 2015 at 9:02:27 PM

So what is Whis, anyway? He's clearly beyond the Kais/Shin-jins. Is he some kind of abstract universal constant, like in Cosmic Marvel?

edited 13th May '15 9:02:33 PM by HamburgerTime

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#16624: May 13th 2015 at 9:36:08 PM

... Maybe towards Cell, and even then, that's more because of Dameon Clarke's sexy voice.

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#16625: May 13th 2015 at 9:48:24 PM

We're usually too busy pointing out how everyone in this work is stupid to be picking out leather pants.

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